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Old 06-26-2003, 22:11   #1
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Interesting Ruger Info

I found this info on the M1-M14 mailing list I run (the reference to the XG14 made it into an M14 topic).
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Thought you&#39;d be interested in mention of Ruger making M1A receivers for
Springfield, also XGI project apparently not dead.

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I spent the day today in a Ruger Mini-14 Armorers Course. I thought some
list members might be interested in some information learned in the
class, straight from the mountain.

Reinforced: As always, employees, managers, and instructors of firearms
and ammunition manufacturers are well represented in the message boards
and listservs of the internet. From time to time, certain participants
in those groups become interesting to the manufacturer and their legal
departments. The usual advisements about getting advice from the
manufacturer was offered. Know that advice, criticisms, and public
opinion is duly noted at a variety of levels.

Production: Ruger currently has 238 production days at both its
facilities in NH and AZ. 1200-2000 units per day are produced at each,
primarily to the commercial market. Government production and sales are
a small portion of totals. Ruger claims to produce the most firearms of
any manufacturer in the US.

Vendor: Ruger is currently producing components for many other
manufacturers at its investment casting facilities in NH and AZ. Most
notably, these are Caspian slides, H&R shotguns, M1A receivers for
Springfield, Colt AR15 front sight bases and trigger parts, golf clubs,
and much more.

Price changes: Are effective July 1 and mid-December. When it gets close
to that time, call for pricing.

New Shotgun: The new side-by-side shotgun was originally scheduled to be
delivered 7/1/03. Due to complications with the new cold bluing process,
this has been slower than normal. Large market distribution is now
planned after 1/1/04.

Coupons: As usual, the purchase coupons offered to students of the Ruger
courses aren&#39;t as big a discount as we&#39;d like. See also Sig, Glock, etc.
The coupons are good for one commercial firearm at 38% off the MSRP,
which is conincidentally, the distributor cost. A nice gesture, but
nothing to make you buy if you&#39;ve got a dealer with good pricing.

NATO Chamber: Mini-14&#39;s are currently produced with NATO-spec chambers,
not SAAMI. Allegedly, this has always been so. Current production is
only 1/9.

Magazines: 30rd magazines are officially discontinued. 20rd magazines
are still available for eligible purchasers. No word on whether or not
Ruger will offer the 20&#39;s to the commercial market if the AWB sunsets.
30rd magazines do not work reliably with the new Ruger synthetic stock.
Almost without exception, a failure to feed will occur on the 20th or
21st round.

House Fire: If you have one, Ruger has a special price schedule to
replace your gun.

Blown-up Gun: See "House Fire." If it&#39;s your fault of course. If it&#39;s
the guns fault, it&#39;s free.

Cleaner: In-house, Ruger is using Breakfree care products. Some
discussion just shy of a formal recommendation to use MPro-7.

Scout mounts: Ruger has done some in-house testing of the Aim-Tech (?)
scout mount. Metro Toronto is using it with great success, with
Aimpoints. No official recommendation or endorsement there.

Rear sights: Aperture heights are available in four heights. Not to be
confused with aperture _size_ (diameter). Only one diameter is produced
currently. It appeared that every agency in attendance either replaced
the factory aperture or opened it up a bit. Usual complaints about it
were the reason.

Winchester 64gr: Significant sight adjustments have been found to be
needed with this load. If the current rear has enough adjustment, it can
be handled, but several customers using it have switched the aperture to
a different unit.

Ammo: Usual ammo advisements. Avoid Wolf and steel case, imports
generally. Buy SAAMI spec or NATO spec US manufacture ammo. Ruger uses a
lot of Black Hills Ammo, and they think highly of it.

Extraction: An infrequent problem has been identified with Mini&#39;s
produced in January 03. They have extraction problems. If problems are
present, contact the factory for instructions.

Illegal guns: If you ship your gun to Ruger because you cut your barrel
too short, or tinkered with it and made it rock and roll, it&#39;s SOP to
call ATF. ATF then confiscates your gun and takes over.

"Civilian" Armorers: There aren&#39;t any. Armorers courses are restricted
to LE personnel only. It is understood that sometimes an agency will
have a local gunsmith do weapons service and inspection, but Ruger can&#39;t
control what the gunsmith will do with his credential. Thus, they won&#39;t
let him in. This is to avoid public confusion about factory service vs.
armorer service, limit liability exposure of the company, and improve
accountability.

Headspace Guages: Ruger guages are custom built and are a bit different
than military guages. Ruger recommends purchase of their own.

Freebore: They know that they have a lot of freebore. It&#39;s not a defect
or an oversight.

XGI: Lots of receivers in storage. This project is not forgotten, and
people should stay tuned. XGI will take M14 magazines. AWB may have
impact on any XGI project.

Pistol marketshare: Ruger is fairly comfortable in the commercial pistol
market. Virtually non-existant in the LE/Mil pistol market. Mini-14 is
the strongest seller to the LE/Mil market.

Overall, this is a worthwhile class if you inventory Mini&#39;s, instruct
those who do, or otherwise consult or evaluate rifle systems.
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Old 06-27-2003, 03:37   #2
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It would be nice if Ruger were to issue statements like this to forums such as ours. It shows they know they have problems in certain areas. I&#39;m excited to see they haven&#39;t dropped the XG14 project completely although I doubt if the AWB will just go away, I can see Bush tossing that bone to the Democrates. The way I see it is it&#39;s cheaper to tell us law abiding citizens what we can & can&#39;t have that it is to enforce tougher laws when weapons are used in a crime. Just imagine if some poor soul had to do real time for using a weapon to rip off a 7-11. The prisons would get filled up to the point they&#39;d have to find somewhere else to put those drunk drivers. minor drug offenders & petty theives. I better get off my soap box before I get pushed off&#33;

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"Rear sights: Aperture heights are available in four heights. Not to be
confused with aperture _size_ (diameter). Only one diameter is produced
currently. It appeared that every agency in attendance either replaced
the factory aperture or opened it up a bit. Usual complaints about it
were the reason."

Now the Ruger idiots finally admit that some of their new factory shipped rifles will not zero for elevation. Sent a new MINI-14 back to the factory several years ago because I could not get the rifle to zero for elevation at a lousy 25 yards (was shooting 6 inches low with the rear aperture adjusted all the way up). Ruger sent it back claiming there was no problem. Ended up having to file the front sight down just to get it to zero.
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Old 06-27-2003, 05:57   #4
 
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Thanks for posting that report Bill. There were several useful tidbits there. I would like to get my hands on the XG14, but I&#39;m not getting my hopes up too high. Bushwack may be right about Bush throwing the liberals a bone in Sept.



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Old 06-27-2003, 07:15   #5
 
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Originally posted by cajungeo@Jun 27 2003, 12:57 PM
Thanks for posting that report Bill. There were several useful tidbits there. I would like to get my hands on the XG14, but I&#39;m not getting my hopes up too high. Bushwack may be right about Bush throwing the liberals a bone in Sept.
In regards to the AWB, it will either go away, stay the same or get worse. I had my pre-ban cut down and a flashhider installed before the sunset to cover the possibility that it may get worse. If you have a pre-ban that does not currently have all the features you may think you will want someday, you may consider having the work done now when it is still legal.
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Old 06-27-2003, 08:11   #6
 
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excellant post bill, thanks for the info, love to have that .308 mini&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;, be an excellant deer hunting carbine.
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Old 06-27-2003, 17:28   #7
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30 round mags don&#39;t work with synthetic stocks? You learn something everyday.
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Old 06-28-2003, 00:01   #8
 
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great post Bill I had wondered for years why Ruger never came out with a .308 version. I&#39;d think one in stainless would be a big seller and Ruger could make them a whole lot cheaper than Springfield plus it would be all stainless. Anyways hey guys don&#39;t lose faith on the AWB I think we have a chance to deep six it. I forget who it was for sure but, I think it was the majority leader in the house said that the majority would let it die WOOHOO. Everyone on here should go to http://www.nra.org/
http://www.nraila.org/articles.asp?FormMod...e=Detail&ID=114
http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/
The first one is nra&#39;s main site. The second one is the article about the Feinstein amendment very bad The last one is to write your representatives you do not have to be a member to use this. It guides you through click on your state then you can just click on the paragraphs that are prewritten then add a title and send. I found some quotes that are interesting and it was the house majority leader Tom Delay. I sure hate to see you guys resign yourselves to the ban just being something we have to live with. We must fight this. Shayne


"It might be 50 years before the United States gets to where Britain is today. Passing a law like the assault weapon ban is a symbolic--purely symbolic--move in that direction. Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation."
--Charles Krauthammer, Washington Post, April 5, 1996

H.R. 2038: A Giant Step Down Gun Control&#39;s Slippery Slope
On May 14, the Washington Post reported House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) as saying most House members are willing to let the ban expire next year. That, the Post warned, would deal "a significant blow to the campaign to clamp down on gun sales nationwide." Count on the Post doing its best to drum up votes for legislation like H.R. 2038, which would:

Ban every gun made to legally comply with the Clinton ban.
Ban "any" semi-automatic shotgun or rifle an Attorney General claims isn&#39;t "sporting."
Ban target shooting rifles: the Colt AR-15, Springfield M1A and M1 "Garand," for example.
Ban guns, such as the Ruger Mini-14, the Clinton ban expressly exempted by name.
Ban semi-automatic shotguns that have "any characteristic" that "can function as a grip."
Ban detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles that have "any characteristic" that "can function as a grip."
Ban 65 named guns.
Ban semi-auto fixed-magazine pistols of over 10 rounds capacity.
Ban frames, receivers and parts used to repair or refurbish guns.
Ban importation of magazines exempted by the Clinton ban.
Ban selling an "assault weapon" with a magazine of 10+ rounds capacity.
Begin backdoor registration by requiring manufacturers of guns, frames, receivers and other parts to report the names of their dealers. Require dealers to report the guns and parts in stock.
Ban private sales of the guns and parts. Next step: register purchasers.
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Originally posted by Bam Bam@Jun 27 2003, 06:28 PM
30 round mags don&#39;t work with synthetic stocks? You learn something everyday.
Huh? Where did you get this from Bam Bam. They work in mine&#33;



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valleypine.....damn right, i had to do the same to my ruger, felt like an idiot at the range filing down my front site because my ranch rear site would not go up enough, its really hard to shoot through the front site and even now it shoots 4 inches low at 50 metres, what it means is that i have no accuracy&#33;

planning to buy a low magnifiction telescopic sight and also buy a proper back sight

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Old 07-01-2003, 19:49   #11
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Cajungeo, you will find that info about 30&#39;s in Bill&#39;s post. No, I don&#39;t understand it either.
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Originally posted by dotocomo@Jul 2 2003, 02:04 AM
valleypine.....damn right, i had to do the same to my ruger, felt like an idiot at the range filing down my front site because my ranch rear site would not go up enough, its really hard to shoot through the front site and even now it shoots 4 inches low at 50 metres, what it means is that i have no accuracy&#33;

planning to buy a low magnifiction telescopic sight and also buy a proper back sight

I&#39;ve talked to several gunsmiths over the years who told me of new-in-the-box MINI&#39;s that would not zero for elevation. I lost a lot of confidence in Ruger when they refused to fix their knowingly defective product. It&#39;s apparently finally caught up to them now. They were able to blow off the complaints of the general public but not the LEOs and armorers.
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Old 02-22-2004, 15:26   #13
 
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I thought it was time to dig this up, and give it another look. I read a couple things I missed the first time, like Ruger giving you a discount if your mini is destroyed in a house fire. Also Ruger making parts for other rifle makers.



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Old 02-22-2004, 16:06   #14
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Interesting we never saw this while all the XGI talk in the gallery was going on&#33;
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Old 02-22-2004, 19:33   #15
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Also, the Mini-14 has a NATO chamber.
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Originally posted by valleypine@Jun 27 2003, 03:54 AM
"Rear sights: Aperture heights are available in four heights. Not to be
confused with aperture _size_ (diameter). Only one diameter is produced
currently. It appeared that every agency in attendance either replaced
the factory aperture or opened it up a bit. Usual complaints about it
were the reason."

Now the Ruger idiots finally admit that some of their new factory shipped rifles will not zero for elevation. Sent a new MINI-14 back to the factory several years ago because I could not get the rifle to zero for elevation at a lousy 25 yards (was shooting 6 inches low with the rear aperture adjusted all the way up). Ruger sent it back claiming there was no problem. Ended up having to file the front sight down just to get it to zero.
Same here. Mine is all the way up in the rear and it still shoots a bit low, pretty close though. Still I was suprised that when I sighted the gun in I had the move the rear sight all the way up in order to get it anywhere near being zeroed.
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Old 02-23-2004, 02:37   #17
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thank you for the information
i am 1 of few people in the netherlands that have a mini 14
a nice gun
i like the gun because you can do much to make it shoot better
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Old 02-23-2004, 06:56   #18
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thanks for digging that one up I had missed it.
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I will nail it to the wall for a while so it won&#39;t sink into the archives. hammer-hammer-hammer.



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I lost all my guns,along with several RUGERS to a house fire. Is it true that Ruger will give me price breaks on replacements?
I looked at Ruger&#39;s website for contact info, but didn&#39;t find any. Anyone have info on this? Who to contact?

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Old 03-10-2004, 15:02   #21
 
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Welcome to the forum Ken. Sorry to here about the fire, and your loss. I have heard people mention this, but don&#39;t know for sure. You can call Ruger, and ask for Dick Bealieu He is the service manager, and should know.
Ruger Phone Number 1-603 863-3300. Service Manager&#39;s name is Dick Bealieu.

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I&#39;d never heard of the XGI, .308 Mini. I hope some forward progress is made on it though. I always have thought a Mini in .243 would be great.
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In regard to Mini-14 rear peep sight heights. Here are the part numbers and their corresponding heights:

MS05204 (extra low, 0.187)

MS05201 (0.218, this is the one that comes with the rifle)

MS05205 (medium height, 0.248)

MS05202 (high, 0.280)
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Hi. Why not Wolf ammo?? I have fired at least 4000 rounds and have had hardly a burp in problems. Please explain whats wrong with this ammo... Thanks:
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Welcome to the forum allanshort. I&#39;m not sure why Ruger doesn&#39;t want anyone to shoot the Wolf. Many people here use it I haven&#39;t. The only down side I&#39;ve heard is it shoots dirty and isn&#39;t as accurate. But it is cheap to shoot. The only thing I can think of is they may be afraid of more rapid chamber wear due to the steel cases. I will say the steel is very soft, and I have seen no evidence of it yet.

I prefer brass cases and box primers as I reload. The berdian primers are harder to pop and difficult to reload. Course the steel cases can&#39;t be reloaded. The steel isn&#39;t malleable enough, and would tear up the dies.



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