where the HELL do you live!??!!!!!

good gawd

If you do what you are supposed to do and look down along the top of your receiver and barrel and center it on your opponent, you'll hit him somewhere every time (within 50 yards). Whether or not that is considered "aiming" or "pointing" is semantics as far as I'm concerned.

Ref: 'whoa;748929'

Brilliant Catch! (My compliments!)





PS: Would anyone like to bring this incredibly wandering thread back online? The original topic is one of my favorite subjects; and I taught it, with some success, for years.

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you ASSUME that he'll be fully exposed to your fire, and that your pattern will be centered. But it wont be. If you were the type to actually center your pattern, you'd be using a rifle. When people are using cover, 00 buck and a typical riot barrel have head-and shoulder sized holes in the pattern at 25 yds.. Random hits to shoulder and gut, with what amounts to a 38 lrn from a snubby cannot be counted upon to mean diddly for quite some time, meaning many minutes, or even hours in some cases.

LOL you're responding to a 4+ year old post
The member isn't even around nowdays but that's OK we understand its a corona thing.

I sure do miss members like Lone Gunman, Durango Ranger, AjUSNret, etc etc......

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Well i'm just all broke up about that mans rights !!

I chat with Durango and AJ now and then via email.

regardless of who's around, the post still gets read by current and future people. Do you really 'think' that these issues change every month, or what? They were the same thing 50 years ago and my answer still applies. Nothing is going to change about it. If you make the pattern tighter, like a Vang Barrel does, it might as well be a rifle inside 30 ft. The choice of shotgun is the mark of the guy who wont train enough to be waf with rifle and pistol. I haven't bothered to own one in over 40 years and never will. I do my small game hunting with a pocket .22lr, to make it interesting. Birds all land and can be stalked just like game. Critters all stop running. it's for SPORT, so what if you dont score? It doesnt mean anything and I'm getting practice with one of my shtf guns, as well as my stalking.

If you really do need to score on small game, better have a fighting rifle with a sound suppressor, night sights, night vision and armor, and be using 40+ traps, snares, trotlines, bird lime, fish poison and net weirs and seines. That will be the only way that you can reasonably count upon having 5-10 lbs of live weight flesh food every day. Walking around with a shotgun, making all that noise, is just going to get you shot if it's shtf.

Wow, lots of fire, little light here. While I am sure very one who has posted here has far more experience than I do running night drills through the house, running night drills in the dark at the range, what will or will not blind/deafen you at night in the house (enclosed area) from actual experence, than I do, but if I might ask a few questions, so I can learn from all the expertise here.

Have any of you gone to the range and set up a series of note book paper (8 1/2" x 11" should be fine/will work, bigger is, of course, better) at 5' with one straight behind it at 10'-15'-20' on out to 10 yards or so (I get tire of lining all of them up on cardboard boxes, but YOU do what YOU want, more, less, what makes YOU happy. If YOU are happy, I'm happy), and then shooting (I need to be sitting or prone so everything is lined up, I don't have enough stands to get them all high enough to stand, which of course would be ideal), so gun barrel, target, back stop, are lined up to actually SEE what YOUR shotgun does with various loads (bird shot, 00 buck, #4 buck, slug, whatever, maybe a Dragon Fire for fun, but probably not out of a gas auto though) at various distances, so you ACTUALLY know what your gun does with what?

DO you need to aim a shotgun, or does "pointing in the general area of where you heard to noise" (which I am assured by nearly everyone, who admits, eventually, they have never tried/done it, claims is/does work fine) actually work because "the shotgun will spread so much it doesn't matter!" at 10 ft to maybe 30 feet (or as far as your house has straight aways anyway).

Maybe lean a few sheets of plywood together to make a "hall" to shoot through at night to test for flash/bang? DOES the flash blind you? DOES the noise (concussion) about "knock you down"?

Ever tried "shooting them in the eye" with turning/swinging targets at close range? In broad day light? At three feet? 5 feet? In the dark? At three feet or maybe 5 feet? I love hearing about how everyone is going to do that when they can barely keep 5 shots on a 3'x3' target at 10 feet after running (or walking) in place for two minutes to get the heart rate going. (But I'm sure you can do a 5 minute mile and hit a 3" target at 10 yards with 10 shots at minute 6. Me? I'll be about ten minutes behind you, to back you up, so don't worry.)

Pleae let me know, I am wondering!

Why when aimed fire is actually effective and literally takes no more time?

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