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Old 03-10-2012, 06:32   #1
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Anyone tried this Klimovsk ammo? Is it repackaged something else?

I'm seeing some of this Klimovsk ammo at decent prices at some online outlets. Anybody shoot any of it? Is it possibly the same thing as some of the more well known ammos like Bear, Wolf or Tula?

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Go for it! Klimovsk is A-OK

Yeh, I have shot several hundred rounds of this through 2 different age Mini-30s. No problem whatsoever. Haven't wrung out if it affects accuracy or anything, but it's good basic ammo.

I do not know if it is related/same as other ammo brands. Here is a photo of its headstamps, if that helps anyone figure it out.

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Old 03-11-2012, 07:37   #3
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Thanks. Can someone clarify what the little symbol represents? I'm talking about the one at the 1'oclock position of the first cartridge. I think I see this on many 7.62x39 rounds.
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The manufacturer's symbol.
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The manufacturer's symbol.
I will need to check but it looks the same as what I'm seeing on Tula and some other cheapo russian stuff.
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Yeh, it's a logo of some sort.

Wouldn't you like to be able to search the web for that symbol and see where else it is used? Bet you didn't know, but numerous companies/individuals have been working for years on software to enable us to do just that. Turns out to be a much, MUCH harder problem than it might first appear.
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ten minutes of searching turned up this:

Klimovsk Specialized Ammunition Plant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


it's a Kilmovsk head stamp logo -

ie: any Tula or other cheap ruskie ammo that has this logo on it was made at the Kilmovsk ammunition plant, and not Vice versa. you'll find it on some fairly odd special rounds - like the 9x39 round for the AS VAL according to the link


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Nice job Snuffy!
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Originally Posted by wahoowad View Post
I will need to check but it looks the same as what I'm seeing on Tula and some other cheapo russian stuff.
Really, all the Tula I have shot and seen said Tula on the head stamp.

I missed Mr Snuffy's post, thats interesting. I know that Wolf Performance ammo is getting into a lawsuit with an importer or distributer something, because Herter's which I can verify and a few other brands of ammo had the Wolf head stamp on their cases. I like Wolf ammo, its really good practice ammo for the price.
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Great work! I'm interested to see where/who all this plant mfrs for.

Anyway, the 124 gr. lacquered/steel FMJ ammo that sells directly under the KSAP name is good stuff for the Mini-30.

I wonder if KSAP has other loadings?
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Originally Posted by Bill_Rights View Post
Great work! I'm interested to see where/who all this plant mfrs for.

Anyway, the 124 gr. lacquered/steel FMJ ammo that sells directly under the KSAP name is good stuff for the Mini-30.

I wonder if KSAP has other loadings?
did you check the link?

they load several "hunting" recipes
in SP and HP flavors

Hunting
7.62x39 mm FMJ hunting cartridge with 8 g bullet
7.62x39 mm FMJ hunting cartridge with 9 g bullet
7.62x39 mm HP hunting cartridge with 8 g bullet
7.62x39 mm HP hunting cartridge with 9 g bullet
7.62x39 mm SP hunting cartridge with 8 g bullet


which leads me to another possible theory...
stick to russian ammo that is intended/labeled for "hunting" per the manufacturer for your mini 30.

might help figure out what has soft primers and what has hard primers? just a thought?
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did you check the link?
Heck, of course not! Not till you shamed me into it.

Almost everything on the Wikipedia page is copied from the Russian site for the factory:
About us - KSPZ

And here's the page with the 5 7.62x39mm hunting cartridges:
Hunting - KSPZ

I couldn't get any of the ammunition product photos or images to come up. There are both "flash" and "HTML" versions of each page. No good either way.

Curiously, they offer a couple of the rounds in 8 grams = 123 grain and 9 grams = 138 grain. Never heard of 138 gr 7.62 mm bullets. Is that a .30-30 or .303 standard? Or what?

Finally, I was really asking where I could buy some other Klimovsk 7.62x39 mm loadings (other than 123 gr FMJ) in the USA, without journeying to the plant in Russia?
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Originally Posted by Bill_Rights View Post
Finally, I was really asking where I could buy some other Klimovsk 7.62x39 mm loadings (other than 123 gr FMJ) in the USA, without journeying to the plant in Russia?

I poked around for a while - couldn't find anything but FMJ
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I would like to score some of that SP-7 9X18 (HP with poly filled cavity) ammo for my CZ82. Im not a big fan of russian ammo but eastern bloc ammo in an eastern bolc handgun would probably be just fine. Ive never seen or even heard of any but it would be cool.
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Originally Posted by qwman68 View Post
I would like to score some of that SP-7 9X18 (HP with poly filled cavity) ammo for my CZ82. Im not a big fan of russian ammo but eastern bloc ammo in an eastern bolc handgun would probably be just fine. Ive never seen or even heard of any but it would be cool.
that load looks HOT (for 9mm Mak)
95 grain 1300+ FPS...

that would put something that is essentially a .380 in the respectable category.

I just ran searches for it on multiple engines... can't find any reference to it being available in the US...
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Just for fun, here is the answer to
Can someone clarify what the little symbol represents? I'm talking about the one at the 1'oclock position of the first cartridge. I think I see this on many 7.62x39 rounds.
The first version comes from the Russian factory web site, while the second one, which looks more like the headstamp symbol, is from the Wikipedia page Snuffy linked.





They are stylized versions of each other.
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Originally Posted by Bill_Rights View Post
Just for fun, here is the answer toThe first version comes from the Russian factory web site, while the second one, which looks more like the headstamp symbol, is from the Wikipedia page Snuffy linked.





They are stylized versions of each other.
That's from Klimovsk, Russia. It says "Klimovsky Patrony Zavod". The factory is near Moscow. Because the package says "lacquered", I'm thinking that it's not very new, since they have mostly gone from lacquered to polymer coated steel at this point. It resembles Brown Bear or Wolf, but Brown Bear is made at Barnaul. Not sure about Wolf.
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well...I went ahead and bought some from Wideners and will report back when I've had a chance to pop some off.
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Originally Posted by wahoowad View Post
Thanks. Can someone clarify what the little symbol represents? I'm talking about the one at the 1'oclock position of the first cartridge. I think I see this on many 7.62x39 rounds.
its either chinese or yogu because of the 11 but that symbol says otherwise weird...
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oh nevermind that 11 is loading code
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there is no more chinese fmj ammo comeing to the USA thanks to Billary.
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i was just going off from the headstamp codes
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I'm thinking the 11 is the year of production. I have also seen that same ammo with a 10and a 08 on the head stamp in the past.
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10 is bulgarian i dont know what 08 is
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Originally Posted by Marlin 45 carbine View Post
there is no more chinese fmj ammo comeing to the USA thanks to Billary.
I bought 2 boxes of norinco .223 fmj from a gunsmith I have used in the past. Not sure how long he has had it but I havent seen it around in a long time. Its brass cased and boxer primed but I bought it to decorate my reloading area. I gave him $5 a box for it. It doesnt look bad but I will never shoot it since you cant get it anymore. I remember buying norinco ammo for my SKS back in the late 80's early 90's.
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