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Shortening 18" Barrel and relocating factory sight

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#1 ·
Good Evening To All,

I want to shorten my 18" 580 series barrel to 16" and move the factory front sight back as well.

I was wondering if any one has recommendations for this type of work. I have looked at ASI, but they seem to specialize in more complex work.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Matt
 
#2 ·
ASI does good work and would be willing to do a smaller job, but you will pay dearly for it.
Any local gunsmith should be able to do a simple procedure like that.
A gunsmith will remove the barrel and do the work on his lathe. The preferred method for sure but that will up the cost considerably.

There is a low cost alternative, if you are at all handy, do the work yourself.
I have shortened several Minis doing the work myself, and it is not difficult at all.
The barrel does not need to be removed for this method.
You would need $50-$70 worth of hand tools, once purchased you would have them to do future Minis or sell them and get most of your money back.

I'd allow an extra 1/4" just so you don't run afoul of the law and end up with an SBR.
Mark barrel and cut with metal blade in a chop saw. That will be a straighter cut than using a hacksaw. I've used a hacksaw and it works fine, but I have a facing cutter for my hand-tool handle to square up the cut if it is off.
This is an older Mini-30 with single blade front sight, barrel is cut right behind the sight with hacksaw using the back of the sight for a guide for saw, barrel ends up at 16 .25"
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I also crown with cutters in various angles, 11, 30 and 45 degree that thread onto the handle, and those cutter head have a threaded hole on the front that can take different caliber bore guides.
You could get by crowning with a hand drill and appropriate bit. Crowns done on Minis at the factory aren't that great, it's not too hard to improve on them.

I use dies (1/2" - 28 for 5.56mm, and 5/8"-24 for 7.62 x 39mm) to thread the barrel for a flash hider or brake, that tool (die, handle and bore guide) will run you another $65 or so). I have done several Minis with the threading tools and they have paid for themselves many times over, saving me $100s in gunsmith fees.
Here the barrel is starting to be threaded with die, handle and .30 caliber guide below it:
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The front sight is placed along side the barrel where it will go, and a mark made on the underside of the barrel with a black marker.
That is where the notch for the roll pin that holds on the sight will be cut.
Ideally you will have a vertical mill, but the notch can be cut with a drill press.

There is a simpler and easier method, cut the notch with a file.
You can use a triangle file, and finish up with a small round file like one used to sharpen a chainsaw blade.

Make the notch 1/2 the thickness of the roll pin. I'd go a bit less as the roll pin has some give to it, and you don't want to end up with it loose.
You have to ensure the notch is at the very bottom of the barrel or your sight could end up canted and you'll use up too much windage on the rear sight trying to get zeroed.

The front sights are real tight on the barrel, Ruger won't sell you a new sight as they say the carbine has to be sent to the factory to be installed with a hydraulic press.
But I use a piece of Oak or other hardwood and hammer the sight in place with the wood against the sight.

Here is the front sight re-installed on the shortened barrel with a flash hider on the threads. I would have tried to upgrade the old single blade sight with a newer style winged take off sight, or ordered one of the M1A style sights from Cogburn Arsenal, but this Mini was for my daughter.
She has good 23 year old eyes and will be using the Burris Red dot 99% of the time.
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If you made the cut on a chop saw, and found a bit to crown (bevel) the muzzle, you wouldn't even need the Brownells hand tools I mentioned.
The Mini shown was stainless, a blued one would just need some touch up with cold blue on the muzzle.
My daughter's 16 1/4" Mini:
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And my synthetic stock Mini that I shortened to 16 1/4":
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#4 ·
Those old fat blade front sights are O.K. if you thin them a bit and they also need to be shortened to work with a Tech or new style Mini rear sight.
That's what I did to the one on my daughter's Mini.
They were made tall to be used with the near worthless folding Ranch rear sight.

I doubt my daughter will ever have to use her irons, those FastFire dots are pretty tough.
 
#7 ·
I do have the single blade on a .625 barrel Mini that ASI installed. The barrel is straight and not flared. It was their "economy" barrel. I asked them to put a Mini 30 front sight on it and they did. I have thinned it down and it actually looks similar to a front sight on a 1903 if you are looking at it through the rear peep sight. I'm sure the winged front sight would look great but I can't tell you it would be any better than what I have on it now looking at it from the rear peep.

kwg
 

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#6 ·
Yes, pencil barrel Mini-14s have to be reduced from .560" to .500" to thread to 1/2" x 28. I took my 195 series Mini down to .500" with a file, but I wouldn't recommend it.
I had lots of time and not much money that year. I marked the area with a marker, filed off the marker paint, then marked it again and so on. Occasionally checking with a micrometer.

It is not the most precise method, but I was using a .22 caliber bore guide so I knew the muzzle device would be concentric to the bore. Took me 3 evenings of filing, but turned out O.K., but way too much work.
This was the Mini-14, originally stainless with a (huge) Aimpoint PRO, then I Cerakoted it in FDE:
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There are some flash hiders/brakes for .22 caliber (although not near as big of selection as 1/2" x 28) that are 9/16" which is .5625". A tiny bit larger than .560" but would work on a pencil barrel without having to turn the barrel down.

A new tapered barrel Mini-14 that is .625" would have to be turned down as well.

.625" is perfect for a 5/8" x 24 thread needed for a Mini-30, no turning of the barrel needed there either.
A Tactical thickness barrel (.750") of any flavor would need to be turned down as well, but as far as I know all Tacticals come already threaded.
 
#14 ·
Yes, and if you plan on threading the barrel and installing a FH or brake, you could skip the crowning, the muzzle device will protect the end of the barrel.
But it is easy enough that it should be done.

This is my Brownell's tool used for facing and crowning.
Here it is with a Ruger .45 SA set up to smooth and change the forcing cone angle to 11 degrees, along with the brass bore guide to keep things centered.
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Change over to a 90 degree facing cutter to true up the cylinder end of the barrel, or true up the muzzle of a cut Mini.
Change to a 45 degree cutter head to bevel revolver cylinders, or bevel the hole in the end of the cylinder that the cylinder pin goes through, for easier pin insertion.
Ruger single action revolvers are much like Minis, they come from the factory "a bit rough" but a few easy mods make them much better, (the way the should have left the factory).

Here I used a 45 degree cutter (with brass .357 guide) to bevel the chambers on my M686, cartridges load much smoother now.
A Brownell's rod, handle and a few cutters really come in handy.
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#15 ·
Good Evening To All,

I want to shorten my 18" 580 series barrel to 16" and move the factory front sight back as well.

I was wondering if any one has recommendations for this type of work. I have looked at ASI, but they seem to specialize in more complex work.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Matt
Matt,

If you want a simpler (not easier, but simpler) course of action, you could:

1. Acquire the limited NRA edition of the Mini-14 -- comes with a 16" barrel (with front sight) and synthetic stock straight from the factory:
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2010/10/5/special-nra-edition-ruger-mini-14-review/

2. Sell your existing 18.5" barrel Mini-14.

I did just that, and saved a bit of weight in the process:
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https://www.perfectunion.com/vb/ruger-mini-14-mini-30/180586-stock-weights.html

Respectfully,
butler
 
#19 ·
Butler
I always though those 16" barreled rifles would look so good in a curved butt Mini stock.
It does!

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The down side is your face is pretty close to the blast so the noise would be pretty loud. You wouldn't want to get caught without hearing protection.
Agreed!
 
#18 · (Edited)
ALL Mini-14s can benefit from a short, Choate muzzle device. ALL Mini-14s, with bare barrels, are highly entertaining even in daytime. Seen quite a few of MA-compliant Minis at my RI shooting range. Very visible muzzle flash, even in broad daylight.

Never been a fan of cutting Mini barrels, since the advent of barrel-struts. Used to be common advice, but times have changed since barrel struts became available. Re-crowning damaged muzzles is always something to investigate. I've seen quite a few Mini muzzles that were obviously damaged by improper cleaning technique/equipment. Simple--and inexpensive--re-crown might do wonders. BTDT.

If one lives in a State that prohibits the short, Choate muzzle device, then a longer barrel will tend to reduce muzzle flash. Add a barrel strut onto Pencil-barrel Minis instead of cutting the barrel. YMMV.