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Old 10-13-2020, 17:53   #1
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Range report not good

I have the 582 Tactical with two Ruger 20rd. mags. Ammo is Remington.223
I racked the charging handle and fire the first round. Then the second round chambers and won’t fire. It acts like it’s not in battery because the trigger doesn’t seem to be cocked and it won’t allow me to put the safety on. I tried both mags and get the same thing. Any ideas ?
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Did you field strip your mini before you attempted to fire it?
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Old 10-13-2020, 18:26   #3
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Yes, I stripped and cleaned it and lubed it.
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I also installed a rear buffer.
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Maybe the buffer is causing a short-stroke situation?
Try removing the buffer and see what happens?

I know that early on in my Mini experience, I purchased some buffers that were very thick.
I actually cut one in half, with some difficulty, because it wasn't allowing the rifle to cycle properly.

Just a thought.
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Old 10-13-2020, 18:56   #6
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I could understand a front buffer stopping it from goin into battery. Why would a rear buffer cause short stroke. Just asking
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I'm no expert, but there are some that seem to be on this forum, maybe they can chime in.
Just saying that it can't hurt to try removing the buffer, and see what happens.
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Old 10-13-2020, 19:04   #8
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Oh I’m not doubting you may be right. I was just curious.
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Honestly I don't remember exactly what was happening with mine, that caused me to trim the buffer in half.
Logically though, if the bolt is not traveling far enough rearward, then it wouldn't necessarily have the force to move fully into battery.

I've got four Minis now, and I've used full width buffers in one that I'm sure of, that had no issues with it.
I've also used 1911 buffers in another, both front and rear, but those of course are considerably thinner.
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Old 10-13-2020, 19:26   #10
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I think I bought them from Accuracy Systems or Brownells. I’m gonna take it out and try that.
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It sounds like the hammer is not staying cocked, and is following the bolt forward. That would prevent the safety from engaging. This can happen from short stroking. Take out the buffer and try again. That's my best guess, since it goes off for the first round that s hand cycled.
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Pull the trigger group and see if the secondary sear is catching the hammer.
Sounds like the hammer is following the bolt forward.
Or after firing the first round can you see the hammer resting against the bolt.
This is the only thing I can think of that would disallow engaging the safety.
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Damn IMA you beat me to it.
That's what happens when you only use two fingers to type.
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More than a few new Mini owners have had various feeding problems caused by the op rod being placed upside down at the receiver end. The owner's manual should have a picture of the correct installation and I think Sandog has posted a photo of it too on a post somewhere on this forum.

Basically, the slightly longer end of the op rod should be closest to the barrel.
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SAN hit the nail on the head The guide rod that goes in the end of the spring has been installed upside down.
No material the thickness of a buffer is going to cause this, but putting the guide rod in upside down will do it for sure.
Put it in wrong, and cycling will be rough, and the bolt won't come back far enough.

The pointy tip of the guide rod must be facing UP towards the handguard.
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Ok I’ll take it apart and check everything out.
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So what do I do if the sear isn’t catching
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Originally Posted by sandog View Post
SAN hit the nail on the head The guide rod that goes in the end of the spring has been installed upside down.
No material the thickness of a buffer is going to cause this, but putting the guide rod in upside down will do it for sure.
Put it in wrong, and cycling will be rough, and the bolt won't come back far enough.

The pointy tip of the guide rod must be facing UP towards the handguard.
That's Why i asked the O.P. if he field stripped the mini before firing. This seems to be a common issue with newbies. Helps to read the manual first, than after the fact. Hard to overcome human nature.
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The op rod is in the correct position. Sparkle was correct. The secondary sear is not catching.
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What happened to buy gun, take gun home, load gun , shoot gun? It's called a baseline.
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Old 10-14-2020, 08:36   #21
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I bought it used. This was the first time I’ve ever shot it.
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Damn IMA you beat me to it.
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LOL,don't that just piss ya off..??? Peck peck peck...
I do understand Bro.
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If the secondary sear is not holding, it seems like the primary sear would ?
In essence a single stage trigger. Not how a two stage trigger was designed or intended, but it should keep the hammer held back.

If you are handy at such things and can find the Gundoc trigger job video, I believe you can take a bit off the primary sear to get the secondary to catch again.
But don't quote me on that, it's been a while since I worked on one.

Best to send the trigger group to Ruger and they'll take care of it. Make sure they understand you bought the Mini used. They'll want to return it to an original and safe condition for liability reasons.
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Ok, I’ve removed the buffer, made sure the op rod was correct, disassembled the mags and cleaned em. Figured out the secondary sear wasn’t engaging. Disassembled the trigger group and it looks like the previous owner might have attempted a trigger job ( and that’s just a guess ) because everything looks polished and slick. He may have taken too much off. I’m guessing this rifle hasn’t been shot much at all cause the interior and the charging handle has almost all of the bluing still there. So with all that said, could I be right or wrong. All criticism accepted.
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So if you cycle the empty action there is no trigger reset? There are techniques for swelling surfaces by using large punches or ballpeen hammer round end on the sides adjacent to the critical surface and pound away install and test. Remember those parts are just case hardened and if somebody took off too much it may be past the hardening.
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