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Old 09-14-2020, 09:41   #1
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Ammo Price Gouging

How about this from an email received today.

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PPU M855, 5.56x45mm NATO, FMJ, 62 Grain, 1,000 Rounds
Buyer's Club Info $664.99
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They are right this is special..
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Sadly, that's about the going price for 62gr these days (or daze).

Check out ammoseek.com
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Firearms prices aren't going down, either. Even obviously "Bubba'ed" firearms are slowly moving, which is likely a bonus for some shops being able to clear out the deadwood, so to speak, and generate some cash flow.

I've switched over to practicing with my 10-22 (Scout scope), and Ruger RAR .22LR bolt action rifle (conventional scope), both of which bought for exactly this purpose. I stocked up on plenty of decent .22RF ammo.

Where I'm somewhat lacking are reasonable .22RF pistol stand-ins for my major caliber pistols, but I have some fairly reasonable alternatives.

Might sell-off the Ciener ,22RF kit and mags for the Mini-14.
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This is typical for this time during a controversial Election Cycle.

Sportsman Guide has pulled this crap before, but the real offender is Cheaper Than Dirt.

in 2012 They were selling well used Surplus M16 Magazines for $99.95 each and a 50 round box of .22 RFM for $79.95 ? Holy ship.

At the time They were sponsoring the American Rifleman Show and I found Mark O'Keefe at the SHOT Show and told him what they were doing and they stopped being the Sponsor soon afterwards.

He told me later that he didn't like sales outfits taking advantage of his NRA Members!

I wouldn't even wipe my Butt with their catalogs any more and they eventually stopped sending them, same with Sprotsman's Whorehouse.

Outfits like this have no place in the Sporting World and they are just ran by a bunch of Corporate Pukes who don't give a ship about their customers beyond their bottom line.

I don't deal with outfits like this simply because there are too many reputable places to do business with.
I really don't see how they stay in business. People will only let you screw them for so long before they get sore and find a more comfortable place to hang out.

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I agree Randy CTD rates right up there as one of the gouging top tier.
The last 4 or 5 times the big buy was on they always seem to have
ammo stock for 4 times the regular price.
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Old 09-14-2020, 16:04   #6
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Don't like companies raising their prices, but their doing so, in times of high demand for limited products, is part and parcel if the Capitalist System of economics.

Sucks to be caught unawares, but it happens.

Most folks buy items, like ammo, when it's fairly cheap, on account of times like this.

One has to take the good with the bad, and figure out the best way of doing so.

Better this system than a purely Communist system, where everything is in perpetually short supply.
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I could care less what any of the opportunists are charging. Hand load everything I shoot. Loaded ammo and components are stacked deep. Buying nothing from them.

If you haven't been stocking up for the last 11 years then you have had your head stuck up your keester.

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I could care less what any of the opportunists are charging. Hand load everything I shoot. Loaded ammo and components are stacked deep. Buying nothing from them.

If you haven't been stocking up for the last 11 years then you have had your head stuck up your keester.

Just my .02.

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Concur, but some newcomers are not so experienced as we are. Suggest some compassion and help.

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I commend that saying to all people.
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Yeah, gouging for sure. PMC bronze .223 fmj on Outdoor Limited for almost a buck a shot. I bought lots of ammo from them but no more. I hope this crap settles down. I'm good to go for the zombie apocalypse but would always like more.
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I have no pity for anyone caught short of ammo, there is no excuse for it.
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I have no pity for anyone caught short of ammo, there is no excuse for it.
I understand, but some folks are victims of circumstances beyond their knowledge. Like kids growing up.

Showing some understanding, and mercy, for well-intentioned but ignorant folks is the Christian thing to do. YMMV.

If my trusted neighbor asks for some ammo, I'll give it to him.
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The post Sandy Hook ammo & magazine drought taught me to buy when prices are favorable.....

I was fortunate to have had the cash at the time when Walmart was selling off all it's ZQI 5.56 SS109 62gr. steel core ammo. I bought all I could with the old lady's 10% discount. 30 rnd box for $10....I would buy it a case at a time. Most stores were on allotment (same time as the steel core ban scare) and it was a slow seller for some reason up until then.

I also bought out one Walmart stores entire lot - 40 boxes - of ZQI 7.62x51, 20 rnd box for $10. This all was shortly after Walmart quit selling AR's and all things associated. Sure was good to have a "connection" to let me know what store had stock & when stores had trucks due to restock.

I was also buying Federal XM193 bulk 1000 rnds & 10 PMAGs - daily specials - from Palmetto State Armory for $349 and free shipping (sadly those days are over) several years ago. I bought it every time I saw it as a daily deal - free shipping was the motivation. Due to being able to take advantage for the bargain, I have almost a hundred PMAGs new in plastic in addition to the 10 for each AR I have for everyone - even the spares.

I also bought a crap-ton of .22lr & 12ga 00 buck by the case during the "Trump Slump". I knew at the time it was a very good investment. I would joke that it was "precious metals" copper, lead & brass.

Everything I bought was free shipping & no sales tax.....Helluva deal looking back now....

I'd bet all my stockpile is worth prolly 3x initial costs now.

I have outfitted my two boys with a AR apiece, mags & ammo.

The wife has an AR, mags & ammo.

I have my 2 ARs in 5.56 & one in .308, each with mags & ammo.

3 Mini 14 with mags & ammo

3 spare AR's ( built to sell had Hillary been elected) with mags & ammo (All Aero Precion parts, built @ pre-election prices) couldn't afford to take a loss during the slump price dump. I've put scopes on each one, they'll be my longer range SPR's

Several 12 ga shotguns with bandolier slings & 00 buck and slugs

6 or 7 10-22's with mags & ammo

I do hope things get better and it's all just a huge waste of money, but I didn't buy it with that thought in mind.
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I'm all set for my Mini-30 and all my firearms, and always have been. I still have 1,500+ Norinco and Chinese military surplus x39 rounds from the 1990s, to give you an idea. And a whole lot more Russian, Israeli, and American made.

I have a cousin who just bought a shotgun for the first time. He can't find anything but birdshot at local shops. I'm going to give him a few rounds buckshot. He also bought a 9mm and can't find anything for that either. So I'll be giving him a box of 50 rounds 115 gr Remington HP next time we get together for lunch. I have enough that I can give some away. I won't take any money for it.

That's the difference between people like me and these opportunistic criminals selling online, especially Gunbroker. These are not our friends and allies. They buy from legit online vendors and then post auctions for up to 5 times the price on Gunbroker. Take names, put them on your blacklist and never buy from them again. BLM and Anifa are my most obvious enemies, but these opportunistic sellers aren't any better people

I sent an email to Sam at SG. I told him I hope he's going to retire after he makes his fortune during this panic, because only people who would take a knee during the National Anthem will buy from him in the future. He had the gall to tell me he was only making $7.00 per case when he was selling Golden Tiger at $199.00 per 1000 round case. I replied that I don't appreciate being lied to and he's lost me as a customer.

A lot of folks just didn't see this coming. Being an avid survivalist since about 1990, I've always had a stash. I expected this kind of chaos before now.

Most people don't look ahead, but who except the most hard core of us could have imagined such anarchy in the streets of America as we're witnessing today? It's nuts!

This is a civil war... a fight for America's existence. I would say they'll take America down over my dead body, but that's not true. It'll be their dead body.

For the fist time I finally understand how my dad felt in the days before WWII... chomping at the bit to get into a shooting war. He couldn't wait! I'm about there now.

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Concur, but some newcomers are not so experienced as we are. Suggest some compassion and help.

"There, for the Grace of God, go I"

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True Bob....the new comers are behind the 8 ball. Some because they are coming of age to own firearms. They are the ones that will get some sympathy.

Other because of being complacent. For those that just got "woke" there is no excuse. They will pay if they want to play and suffer the penalty. No crying about it.....your own fault.
8 years of Obozo and now 3+ years of attempted coup's against the MOB. Doesn't take a rocket scientists to see where we are headed.

I'm stocked deep and will gladly share with like minded in time of need.

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I'm stocked deep and will gladly share with like minded in time of need.

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Just be sure they're truly of like mind and are not likely to use your generosity against you.

It's a shame to be that way, but here as of late, unless it's family - close family at that - I've stayed away from most folks due to the fact most folks seem to have bought into the Rona BS. Too many potential Karen's out there.
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Just be sure they're truly of like mind and are not likely to use your generosity against you.

It's a shame to be that way, but here as of late, unless it's family - close family at that - I've stayed away from most folks due to the fact most folks seem to have bought into the Rona BS. Too many potential Karen's out there.
It's easy enough if we keep the number of people to those we've always helped out and have helped us out. There's people on this form I would overnight ammo to for free if they were in need. And if they lived close enough I'd drive it over... or meet them half way.

But I agree, it can be difficult to know who our true friends are these days.
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Price gouging is all about supply and demand. Follow the basic guidelines in times of trouble. Demand drives pricing. Even perceived demand. And demand and perceived demand drives supply.

Last time we saw this, oversupply hit eventually and makers were hit hard after demand went down. They are more careful this time. At the same time I am sure they are working diligently to make more. Maybe not investing in capacity so much.

If we can ride out the storm more will be available at some time. With prices so high others will determine that they just don't need so much ammo and take a profit on what they have. Markets change. After the election things might be better or just might get worse.

In some ways high prices are their own demise. One, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth, and that will be remembered. Second, it encourages supply. The higher the price, the more supply eventually will enter the market.
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Makes me cringe a bit when I see the current prices as well. Having been through the Sandy Hook drought as a new comer myself, I learned to buy what I could, when I could. I learned to use Gunbot and Ammoseek, found Freedom Munitions, SGAmmo and a few others. Took advantage of bulk online ordering until CA stopped it. When prices where high I bought a little, when prices dropped I bought a lot. I rarely left my local Walmart without a box or two of ammo regardless of my other purchases until they stopped selling it. I even have ammo for guns I don't own (but expect to one day).

As it did then, it will settle down again. How long? Who knows. There always seems to be a "panic" going on. The newcomers today will figure it out, assuming we all survive through it. If I don't, my sons will be well stocked.
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How about this from an email received today.

Sportsman Guide
Preorder Special!
PPU M855, 5.56x45mm NATO, FMJ, 62 Grain, 1,000 Rounds
Buyer's Club Info $664.99
Non-Member$699.99

They are right this is special..
I got ya beat!!

Got an email this morning from DEGuns.net and they have:

Federal XM Rifle Ammunition
XM193ML1, 5.56mm NATO, Full Metal Jacket,
55 GR, 3165 FPS,
400 Rd/Can

$481.99
$23.99 shipping
$505.98 total

$1.265/rnd

Crazy price... maybe it's the going rate....I'll pass.

Just wish we knew how much is mark up from the middlemen distributors and markup from the retailer

So glad I bought the slump

Hate to down DEGuns 'cause I've gotten good deals on a few things from them in the past....in early 2016 I got 3 Aero Precision lowers for $50 each - free shipping & no tax. I built my "spare" rifles on them. Most places still were getting $75 for them at the time.
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I agree Randy CTD rates right up there as one of the gouging top tier.
The last 4 or 5 times the big buy was on they always seem to have
ammo stock for 4 times the regular price.
After Sandy Hook, CTD was charging $3 a round for steel cased Russian. Right now, they are selling Armscor 9mm for $85/50! I would not buy from CTD if they were the last place on earth!

When I was RSO agaion last weekend, a guy had a 300 BLK AR (nice weapon, BTW) He paid $85 a box of 20 for some super special 115 HPs! The cheap FMJ ammo was $95/50!
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So glad I bought the slump
Just before it got stupid I bought a 1,000 case of Federal/Lake City 193. It was $400 by the time I paid $25 shipping and the $20 for the CA dealer to process it. The net cost before that was $355/1,000 or 35.5 cents a round. That is 1/4 the cost of the stuff that was in the original post!

About a month ago, I picked up a Smith & Wesson Shield in .40 S&W. It was a new caliber for my current armory, so even a month before I got it (I had to wait for two weeks before it came in and then a 10 day Commiefornia's wait) I bought the ammo. Critical Defense was about $1.00 a round and FMJ about $0.40 a round for 500. Those prices were slightly elevated from pre-panic $0.90 for Critical Defense and $0.36 a round for FMJ) , but not as bad as they are now two months later~!
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I like when they post regular prices on everything outta stock.
Like they're saying made you look.
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And this is just one reason I handload
Everything but .22 lr., which is still at normal prices.
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And this is just one reason I handload
Everything but .22 lr., which is still at normal prices.
DEGuns.net has Federal Match .22lr, 325 rnds for $49.99.

Crazy prices....and thats not counting shipping.
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DEGuns.net has Federal Match .22lr, 325 rnds for $49.99.

Crazy prices....and thats not counting shipping.
Wow,
My LGS sells that for $29
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