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Old 09-16-2020, 07:59   #26
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Check out Cheaper Than Dirts latest gouging! $1.50 to $2.00 a round for 223!

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ammu...3dde38f49b8421
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Originally Posted by imarangemaster View Post
Check out Cheaper Than Dirts latest gouging! $1.50 to $2.00 a round for 223!

https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ammu...3dde38f49b8421
I got the same email today. I've only purchased one thing from Cheaper Than Dirt. It was actually a good deal, and was the only one I could find on the web since it had been discontinued by the manufacturer.

Other than that I've never bought from them and never will again. I once sent them an email saying, "Gosh, you must have some really expensive dirt where you're at. Dirt where I live is everywhere, and basically free."

You know where we all should be venting about the price gouging? emails to the vendors telling them they're out of line and they're going to lose us as customers for good. If it's not a mass email campaign they won't flinch.

I've already told SAM at SGAmmo that I'm never coming back. I won't forget or forgive his crimes. But I'm just one guy, easily replaced by new customers. And that's exactly how they see us. We're expendable.

There are still some vendors out there that are not gouging, but when their stock comes in it goes fast. They're mostly out of stock. I'll remember them favorably after the insanity is over.
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Old 09-16-2020, 15:26   #28
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To my mind, retail vendors should honor existing prices for items "In-Stock". Once that's sold-off, institute price increases required by the increased cost of the product imposed on them. If retail vendors encounter price increases, for any reason, from mfrs/importers/middlemen/whatever, then retail vendors should announce such price increases as being a "pass-through" increase in price.

That would be an ethical way of doing business, but many Retail vendors do not bother with this, and some unscrupulous Retail vendors unilaterally increase prices in addition to price increases imposed on them, which are out of their control.

In short, the Mfrs, Importers, and Middlemen/Distributors all increase prices to benefit themselves in times of scarcity. Always been so. The Retailer will increase prices to suit, and might unilaterally increase prices, might not.

Ever watch the prices of gasoline instantly increase in price, and then slowly taper off after latest "Crisis" has passed? Same thing only different; the Retail outlet is completely captive to Supplier-imposed cost-of-product. No sense blaming the independent gas station owner for the price increases forced on them by their suppliers.

Same thing here.

We mostly deal with Retail Ammo suppliers. Some of them are scumbags, and some are forced to raise prices simply because their incoming Ammo supplies have increased in price.

Before you blame a particular Retailer (and some are worth criticizing), remember that the Original Mfr, the Importer, and the Distributor are all taking their "cut" before the Retail vendor gets the ammo.

That's my take on things.
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The dealer I work for has a standard mark up. Any increases are because the wholesalers raised prices. ie. We got a case of 1000 Armscor 115 FMJ 9mm (20 boxes) this morning. we put them out at $17/50 (same ammo CTD wanted $1.25 a round for). In 5 hours we sold 13 boxes because we were the cheapest in the area. My dealer has a philosophy: We are part of a community. If we are fair in times of crisis, people will remember when we aren't in crisis that we were fair, and they will come back.

A month ago, when S&W .40 Shields were going for $700 to $800 on gunbroker, he sold me mine for $469 (CA model with High Viz sights). MSRP. Is $489. He was out of stock but got two in a dealer lottery at RSR. He knew I was looking for a Shield and sold it to me. He could have sold it on Gunbroker or even in the shop for $700 like the other dealers in the area.
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BUY IT !!!! It may be gone or higher tmrrw , backorders are the way things are going these days . Just my opinion , not worth .02 . Grafs and Brownells ....a ha ha ha...."out of stock"..."out of stock" ..."out of stock" . Your call Bubba . I would , hell I might .
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Old 09-17-2020, 15:45   #31
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Pre-order special:

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How about this from an email received today.

Sportsman Guide
Preorder Special!
PPU M855, 5.56x45mm NATO, FMJ, 62 Grain, 1,000 Rounds
Buyer's Club Info $664.99
Non-Member$699.99

They are right this is special..
If and when this blows over, please consider hand loading.
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Old 09-17-2020, 16:12   #32
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blacktalonalan: I've been reloading for 47+ years.
I posted this as information for others.
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Yep, been doing it a while myself.
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When I was a kid, working in a grocery, my uncle owned a hardware store. One day I complained about all the time we spent scraping off price tags and applying new ones to cans, boxes and bags. I figured the old price reflected the cost paid by the store, but he pointed out that mgt also factored in the cost to them of replacing that inventory when sold. Maybe he was just rationalizing taking advantage of what the market would bear, but he did have a point. Ever since then, I've taken that into account when I see prices raised on inventory I know was purchased as part of the same lot as before. The price swings in the ammo market over the past six months are far greater than they ever were in the grocery business back then. If SG Ammo for example were to keep the price the same, everything would be bought up overnight, they'd be out of stock, there'd be nothing to buy, and most of it would be resold at even higher prices than SG's now. Why should the gougers make a quick buck from ammo SG bought in bulk and has incurred the expenses to keep in inventory all this time?
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I have introduced two new calibers in the armory since the stupidness began: .40 S&W and 300 Black Out. The gouging did not effect me, as I did the resupply from my local dealer who has kept prices down. I think that many people jumping into getting firearms for the first time during the panic do not have the experience to look around, and just buy the first placed they find it.
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7.62x39 and 5.45x39 are still readily available for about 35 cents, and 7.62x38r surplus holds steady at 23 cents (down a nickel from last year).
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223/5.56 and 9mm seem to be the. most impacted where I live in Commiefornia, 40 and 45 are readily available, as is .7.62x39 and 308. Handguns are non-existent in any of the local shops except for single actions and high end double actions. Allso no black rifles, Mini-14/30s or even M1 Carbines at any of the shops. Just 22s, single shot shotguns, bolt guns and a few lever actions, as far as long guns go.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
7.62x39 and 5.45x39 are still readily available for about 35 cents, and 7.62x38r surplus holds steady at 23 cents (down a nickel from last year).
Apparently you haven't looked at prices since 2019, or you're missing the fact that vendors with low prices listed are out of stock for those items. Their prices look great, but they have none to sell.

Only a couple of the many vendors I've done business with for years are not price gouging. I haven't seen 23 cents a round 7.62x39 for many months, but if you have links please share them.

The most egregious price gouging is happening on Gunbroker. Nearly every seller of ammo on GB buys up ammo from legit business when it becomes available, then sells it for 3 to 5 times the price on Gunbroker. At this writing prices continue to go up with no end in sight.

One thing that does work is when online vendors put a limit on how much you can buy. That makes it more complicated for people who are only buying to resell at higher prices. Sam at SG could do that instead of a$$ raping his customers.
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Originally Posted by blacktalonalan View Post
If and when this blows over, please consider hand loading.
Handloading doesn't save me a dime. I handload to create exotic loads that no manufacture offers. The components for handloading are also up and unavailable at most of my usual sources, especially x39 brass. I was lucky that I had been on an ammo and bullet buying spree before the Covid/election year panic hit. I have more reloading stuff than I know what to do with.
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Prices IF, I say IF will not come back down until around June/July 2021 several months after the orange man gets sworn back in. If he does not.....Well lets not even go there as it will be horrible.
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Got an email from CTD. Wolf .22 ammo only $18 a box of 50! Stripped AR15 lowers $200, and .223 ammo $2 a round.....Its criminal.
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Apparently you haven't looked at pries since 2019, or you're missing the fact that vendors with low prices listed are out of stock for those items. Their prices look great, but they have none to sell.

Only a couple of the many vendors I've done business with for years are not price gouging. I haven't seen 23 cents a round 7.62x39 for many months, but if you have links please share them.
Apparently you don't know the difference between 7.62x39 and 7.62x38r.

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The most egregious price gouging is happening on Gunbroker. Nearly every seller of ammo on GB buys up ammo from legit business when it becomes available, then sells it for 3 to 5 times the price on Gunbroker. At this writing prices continue to go up with no end in sight.

One thing that does work is when online vendors put a limit on how much you can buy. That makes it more complicated for people who are only buying to resell at higher prices. Sam at SG could do that instead of a$$ raping his customers.
SGA is where you have been able to and still can find 7.62x39 and 5.45x39 for reasonable prices. CTD is where the gouging happens.
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I dropped CTD months before their sandy hook gouging. I ordered several cases of bore mops for several calibers because they had the cheapest price by far. In place of a case/box of mops, they sent only 1 mop. I ended up with like 10 mops instead of 10 cases of mops, usually 12 per box. Took many emails and a phone call to get anywhere. Told me the listed price was a mistake and all they would do is offer me a discount, or refund. No attempt to honor their listed prices at all. I dont recall exactly what I did but I think I took the discount and moved on just so I did not have to deal with shipping back their stuff and then waiting for the money to be given back.
They still, last I looked, had everything listed the same with no changes at all.
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Originally Posted by freesw View Post
Apparently you don't know the difference between 7.62x39 and 7.62x38r.
Who the hell would be jumping up and down about cheap 7.62x38r. I assumed it was a typo on your part since you started your post talking about 7.62x39.

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SGA is where you have been able to and still can find 7.62x39 and 5.45x39 for reasonable prices. CTD is where the gouging happens.
SGAmmo? Ha! they're one of the worst! Sam is the enemy. $349.00 for a 1000 round case of Golden Tiger x39 that was going for $189.00 for the same case a couple months ago! Some deal! I might pay that much for brass case Lapua or PPU, but otherwise NO THANKS!

Since I've been active on web forums in the 1990s you're the first and only person I've met who is wrong about literally everything, no matter what topic. I'm beginning to think you're an artificial intelligence experiment, like those scam calls we get that are recorded voices designed to sound like we're having an interactive conversation with a real person. Why don't you stop annoying people?

On the other hand, maybe you're not to blame after all. You've been programed by someone else.
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I'll share some of my 9mm ammo with my niece when she turns 21 next year if she can't find any.
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When I was a kid, working in a grocery, my uncle owned a hardware store. One day I complained about all the time we spent scraping off price tags and applying new ones to cans, boxes and bags. I figured the old price reflected the cost paid by the store, but he pointed out that mgt also factored in the cost to them of replacing that inventory when sold. Maybe he was just rationalizing taking advantage of what the market would bear, but he did have a point. Ever since then, I've taken that into account when I see prices raised on inventory I know was purchased as part of the same lot as before. The price swings in the ammo market over the past six months are far greater than they ever were in the grocery business back then. If SG Ammo for example were to keep the price the same, everything would be bought up overnight, they'd be out of stock, there'd be nothing to buy, and most of it would be resold at even higher prices than SG's now. Why should the gougers make a quick buck from ammo SG bought in bulk and has incurred the expenses to keep in inventory all this time?
Welcome to the actual "Firearms" section of the Site. One observes that you seldom post in such sections, and your posts are almost exclusively made in the "Political" forum. A casual observation of your previous posting habits reveals such to any Member of this forum.

IMHO, your Uncle was rationalizing what to most folks is an unethical practice, albeit one that he was ordered to perform, and a practice that he made you perform.

This sort of behavior is contemptible, right down the line. I don't blame you, as a child, form following his orders, but surely now you ought to know better.

Any merchant can mark up existing stock to take advantage of unexpectedly increased demand. I submit an ethical merchant, one whose clients will consider the merchant ethical on the future, will not do so.

I regret that you were compelled to participate in what I, and many others, consider to be unethical practices.

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Decades of reloading has resulted in a very comfortable position during these times. I did make a purchase the other day from my local range, good quality HST in 50 rd. boxes for a reasonable price. Their stock was low and I just took a box, leaving the rest for those more in need.

Asked if their distributors were raising prices and they said no, their price has not changed. I left realizing some are obviously price gouging but its probably not the manufactures or distributors. Thankful to have such a respectable vendor near me and it helps to have built a relationship with them over time.
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Been picking up .30 cal projectiles here and there, pulled 147 gr steel and odd amount piece boxes of 130/150 gr pointed sp or spitzers. Bought plenty of .22s, primers and powder after the last drought. It will be next year before the election results gets sorted out. 2021 is going to be as difficult as 2020 was I’m afraid. Stay safe.
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I think what’s surprised me the most is how much .300bo prices have jumped.
Wolf steel case 7.62x39, 5.45x39 & 6.5grendel haven’t jumped that much but the Wolf steel case .300bo has doubled in price since it hit the US this year.
I thought I overbought when Global Ordinance had a buy one get one free sale on their ADI MSR .300bo Sierra Matchking, with shipping it was 40 cents a pop so I bought cases of the stuff. I could probably make a mint in today’s market but this panic has lasted a long time. I think I’m keeping what I have.
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IMHO, your Uncle was rationalizing what to most folks is an unethical practice, albeit one that he was ordered to perform, and a practice that he made you perform.
And again, someone didn't read what I wrote, but commented about it anyway.

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This sort of behavior is contemptible, right down the line.
As a rare avowed anticapitalist here, it's hilarious to read all these posts from self-professed supporters of capitalism, who clearly have next to no understanding of what capitalism is and how it works. You think that "sort of behavior is contemptible"? Wait until you find out about capitalism in all its works.
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