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Old 07-24-2020, 03:14   #1
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Anyone own a Muzzelite Plus bullpup stock for your Mini-14/30?

As the title state does anyone own one?, I bought for the 'fun' factor not for serious use. Also I heard of a aluminum replacement for the trigger bar, but can't seem to find one for sale.
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As the title state does anyone own one?, I bought for the 'fun' factor not for serious use, also I heard of a aluminum replacement for the trigger bar, but can seem to find one for sale.
Not sure about the "Plus" part, but I owned one some time ago. In my opinion, very fragile, and a huge PITA to periodically clean the rifle. Don't miss it one bit.

There is some good news, though. If you have any latent case extraction/ejection issues, the Muzzlite will detect them.

Good luck

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Does not properly capture pins due to the huge voids in the stock body. Also melted the plastic that was in contact with the barrel.
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Not sure about the "Plus" part, but I owned one some time ago. In my opinion, very fragile, and a huge PITA to periodically clean the rifle. Don't miss it one bit.

There is some good news, though. If you have any latent case extraction/ejection issues, the Muzzlite will detect them.

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The "Plus" part is that it has a scope/optics rail that mounts on the top of the carry handle.
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The "Plus" par is that it has a scope/optics rail that mounts on the top of the carry handle.
OK, same thing as I had, then. My previous comments still pertain.

I don't recall if the plastic was junk, or glass-reinforced plastic, the latter being MUCH more durable. Generally, the highest Glass fiber content in such plastics is about 30%, and in most modern plastic items, the composition of the plastic and any reinforcing items is molded-in. Take a look inside the stock, and report back with what is found.

Having used the stock, it quickly became apparent that remediation of certain FTE situations, and certain FTF situations were greatly aggravated/impeded by the stock enclosing the bolt area of the firearm.

It also became apparent that a full field-stripping of the rifle required the complete removal of the bullpup stock, using a specific Allen wrench, IIRC. Yes the screws can be changed-out for more common Phillips-headed screws, perhaps with User-cut slots for a flat-headed screw driver, but both these alternatives will require a properly-sized screwdriver with at least a short shank since the stock's screws are recessed. Tools required for rifle dis-assembly are NOT desirable, IMHO.

It certainly is possible to use spray can (low-volume-increase) foam to reinforce certain sections of the stock. This is very messy stuff, and if contemplating using such, some practice is advised. Perhaps a great deal of practice. BTDT.

If, repeat, IF the stock is definitely marked (internally) as having 30% Glass reinforced fiber, then, and only then, is it worth any further modifications. Absent such molded-in markings, it's probably junk plastic, and so very fragile, no matter how you reinforce it.

I don't like saying this, as there is a certain attraction to Bullpups, their having reduced length, and a generally longer barrel. I get that. I have a Bushmaster M17S with which I am still tinkering.

Unfortunately, many modern iterations of bullpups (both Mil and civvy) have been poorly done, for one reason or another. The stock you own is, while ostensibly having certain advantages, is, in my opinion, not worth the bother.

But, I certainly don't know everything. Go ahead and prove me wrong.
Perhaps you have a good idea or three. I'd like that.

Please allow my comments on this particular stock to inform you, from my point of view, but to NOT discourage you from making intelligent, well-considered mods to the stock. YMMV, in the fullest extent of the term. You could be the one to have an unforeseen, brilliant mods for it. By all means experiment, and report your experiences. I will be personally delighted to find I have been wrong. YMMV.

Best of Luck to you!
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OK, same thing as I had, then. My previous comments still pertain.

I don't recall if the plastic was junk, or glass-reinforced plastic, the latter being MUCH more durable. Generally, the highest Glass fiber content in such plastics is about 30%, and in most modern plastic items, the composition of the plastic and any reinforcing items is molded-in. Take a look inside the stock, and report back with what is found.

Having used the stock, it quickly became apparent that remediation of certain FTE situations, and certain FTF situations were greatly aggravated/impeded by the stock enclosing the bolt area of the firearm.

It also became apparent that a full field-stripping of the rifle required the complete removal of the bullpup stock, using a specific Allen wrench, IIRC. Yes the screws can be changed-out for more common Phillips-headed screws, perhaps with User-cut slots for a flat-headed screw driver, but both these alternatives will require a properly-sized screwdriver with at least a short shank since the stock's screws are recessed. Tools required for rifle dis-assembly are NOT desirable, IMHO.

It certainly is possible to use spray can (low-volume-increase) foam to reinforce certain sections of the stock. This is very messy stuff, and if contemplating using such, some practice is advised. Perhaps a great deal of practice. BTDT.

If, repeat, IF the stock is definitely marked (internally) as having 30% Glass reinforced fiber, then, and only then, is it worth any further modifications. Absent such molded-in markings, it's probably junk plastic, and so very fragile, no matter how you reinforce it.

I don't like saying this, as there is a certain attraction to Bullpups, their having reduced length, and a generally longer barrel. I get that. I have a Bushmaster M17S with which I am still tinkering.

Unfortunately, many modern iterations of bullpups (both Mil and civvy) have been poorly done, for one reason or another. The stock you own is, while ostensibly having certain advantages, is, in my opinion, not worth the bother.

But, I certainly don't know everything. Go ahead and prove me wrong.
Perhaps you have a good idea or three. I'd like that.

Please allow my comments on this particular stock to inform you, from my point of view, but to NOT discourage you from making intelligent, well-considered mods to the stock. YMMV, in the fullest extent of the term. You could be the one to have an unforeseen, brilliant mods for it. By all means experiment, and report your experiences. I will be personally delighted to find I have been wrong. YMMV.

Best of Luck to you!
Well like mentioned in OP, I bought it for 'fun' and not for any serious use(hence why my 188 Ranch sits in a wood stock, and it was in hogue overmold stock respectively) there RIBob, also awesome that you own a M17S.
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I handled one at the Local Gun Shop...I only threw up in my mouth a little... It was flimsy and could only be a range toy. Its construction was such that its construction would possible become a liability in a real SHTF situation. You would be better served with either a Choate or Ruger factory folding stock. Both are military tough. Butler Creek folders are OK, but not as tough as either of the previously mentioned.

MY background, though, is LEO and military, and I take my weapons seriously, not as fantasy toys. They are tools, and I demand toughness and reliability, not googahs or tacticool looking (but marginally functioning) add ons.
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The Stock they used for the mini in starship troopers was better.
I do not if they still available, they were kinda bulky.
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The Stock they used for the mini in starship troopers was better.
I do not if they still available, they were kinda bulky.
Those were heavily modified Muzzelite stocks there Sparkie.
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