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Old 07-29-2020, 08:58   #51
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When I had the Mini-30, I loaded Nosler Varmagedon bullets for just that rason.
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Old 07-29-2020, 09:03   #52
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Hmmm. Doesn't everyone have one of these?
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Old 07-29-2020, 09:55   #54
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I have a Radio Flyer and a pump shotgun, you've given me a brilliant idea!
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When I had the Mini-30, I loaded Nosler Varmagedon bullets for just that rason.
Nosler Varmageddons are a great choice for personal defense in an urban area.
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Old 07-29-2020, 20:48   #56
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MK318 Mod 0 SOST 62 gr, MK318 Mod 1 SOST 62 barrier blind.
This is great stuff. Difference between Mod 0 and Mod1. Mod 1 is all copper bullet.
HPR Black Ops 62 gr OTF is also very good if you need a frangible.
Problem is all three now are three times the price they use to be.
Stocked up when they first hit the market.
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Many people talk about Body Armor. There are other items just as important, some of them very mundane/inexpensive.

For example, if planning an excursion into an area which might be a risky one, consider a Jock strap with a reasonably vented plastic cup. Make a point of having decent eyewear closely available, in case yours is ripped-off or damaged. If you have long hair, consider cutting to a length short enough so that an opponent cannot obtain a hand-grip on your head.

I've been involved in some riots in the past, involuntarily. The first rule is to NOT be there.
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If SHTF enough for apocalyptic riots I'm not getting close enough to anyone so as to give them a chance to kick me in the nuts. Or pull my hair (if I had any).

Situational awareness is key. As you said ....don't be there. The sixth sense will come into play here. Train yourself to read body language. Body language speaks a ton. You could see a mile away when a "individual" was getting ready to roll. If it looks like a commie and smells like a commie.....it probably is.

Eye wear is a good point....as is ear protection, a helmet and a weapon light or portable flashlight. I keep a set of amplified noise cancelling headset and portable Streamlight next to my bump in the night rig in the safe. I hear a bump in the night... the amplified headset goes on and the Streamlight comes with me. As far as flashlights or weapon lights.....the higher lumen the better. The light itself can can be used as a weapon and incapacitate a foe enough to give you the edge. Not just for night time vision. Many of the better lights have a strobe selection that is absolutely disarming if pointed in your eyes at close range.

Many small things can make the difference. Training is key as it will become second nature if under stress.

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If SHTF enough for apocalyptic riots I'm not getting close enough to anyone so as to give them a chance to kick me in the nuts. Or pull my hair (if I had any).

Situational awareness is key. As you said ....don't be there. The sixth sense will come into play here. Train yourself to read body language. Body language speaks a ton. You could see a mile away when a "individual" was getting ready to roll. If it looks like a commie and smells like a commie.....it probably is.

Eye wear is a good point....as is ear protection, a helmet and a weapon light or portable flashlight. I keep a set of amplified noise cancelling headset and portable Streamlight next to my bump in the night rig in the safe. I hear a bump in the night... the amplified headset goes on and the Streamlight comes with me. As far as flashlights or weapon lights.....the higher lumen the better. The light itself can can be used as a weapon and incapacitate a foe enough to give you the edge. Not just for night time vision. Many of the better lights have a strobe selection that is absolutely disarming if pointed in your eyes at close range.

Many small things can make the difference. Training is key as it will become second nature if under stress.

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One always devolves to one's lowest level of training, under high stress. As mentioned by others, training involves careful but time-constrained (pressure) repetition of useful practices. Most say a great many repetitions.

The trick is to get some decent training first, and so NOT to have to UNLEARN past bad training. Unlearning bad past practices involves a LOT of additional training. Start right, Learn right.

For low-profile, Civvy use in Riot situations, the only EarPro of which I'm aware is the Nacro Quiet Pro unit, which involves a battery powered waist-worn unit, and specific ear plugs. Tough to find, and quite expensive.

Home use? As you suggest, whatever decent unit one has readily at hand, and with which one has practiced. There are some units which have true, dual, stereosonic mics, enabling the user to mimic the sound-direction of natural ears, and some have a further ability to augment the user's hearing, while still "clipping" high-volume sounds. Such units are not cheap, nor are they common. Such units are not the typical electronic ear pro most seen on typical target ranges.

As to Lumen output of any light, that depends on a lot of factors. Some lights can have sufficient output to adversely affect the User's night vision for quite a while. Sometimes, less is more. Flood or "Thrower" reflector? Both have their uses.

Your firearm, if used at night, and indoors, should have the best flash- and sound-suppressor available. A sound-suppressor would be the best alternative. The best will be none too good, indoors, at night.

Here's a suggestion: Without a firearm, don your ear pro and take up a light identical to your Weapon light. Preferably dismount your Weapon light for this exercise.

Have your family member be your quarry, within your house, assuming an originating, waking, noise near some likely entry point, and have them move around and go "Bang" if they ever see you make yourself "available" for their shot.

This exercise might be very interesting. Having done exactly this exercise is why I have installed a very sturdy door on my bedroom, along with reinforced locks and hinges. Same thing on outer doors.

Bepe, i think we agree on far more than we disagree. YMMV, and all best wishes!
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If you are absolutely sure that an intruder is in your house you should NOT go hunting them. They have the advantage.

Safe room is the way to go. Gather the family....get into the safe room and barricade the door. Have the spouse dial 911 and stay on the phone. You are gun ready focused on the door. If intruder is directly outside yell loudly that you are armed have your family and go away. This will be recorded on 911 line and can be used as a defense later on.

This is where a maximum lumen light comes into play. The intruder manages to break the barricade and get the door open. He gets hit with 800 or so lumens in the eyes and is instantly blinded. Next thing to hit him isn't a light beam. Lights are an important layer of defense. Played with them for 25 years.

Here's 800 lumens on the wall from the Mini's Streamlight. Just staring at the light beam in the pic hurts your eyes....Get that head on directly in the eyes and you are junk.

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If you are absolutely sure that an intruder is in your house you should NOT go hunting them. They have the advantage.

Safe room is the way to go. Gather the family....get into the safe room and barricade the door. Have the spouse dial 911 and stay on the phone. You are gun ready focused on the door. If intruder is directly outside yell loudly that you are armed have your family and go away. This will be recorded on 911 line and can be used as a defense later on.

This is where a maximum lumen light comes into play. The intruder manages to break the barricade and get the door open. He gets hit with 800 or so lumens in the eyes and is instantly blinded. Next thing to hit him isn't a light beam. Lights are an important layer of defense. Played with them for 25 years.

Here's 800 lumens on the wall from the Mini's Streamlight. Just staring at the light beam in the pic hurts your eyes....Get that head on directly in the eyes and you are junk.

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Fully concur. The additional benefit of having the perp break down the door/barrier is that even in unenlightened States, the homeowner, having shot in obvious self-defense will suffer far less hassle at the hands of the Cops/Courts, as long as they manage to keep their mouth firmly SHUT until their lawyer gets there. Remember: Every bullet fired has a Lawyer attached to it.

Some folks have a (possibly naive belief) that their Cops and local DA will pat them on the back, and say "Good Shoot". From past observation, I suggest NOT counting on that. YMMV.
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Old 07-31-2020, 19:55   #62
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Originally Posted by imarangemaster View Post
When I had the Mini-30, I loaded Nosler Varmagedon bullets for just that reason.
Yep, those will work. It's good to have several options or already have a stockpile of one or two that work for your purposes.

For those starting out, or find themselves caught flat-footed by the COVID/BLM disaster, making a list of projectiles that will work can make shopping fun.

Everything is so pricey now or hard to find at any price. I'm glad I stocked up on ammo, bullets, powder, etc when I did. It was just dumb luck that I grabbed some last-minute things before COVID19 was on the radar. I didn't know they were last-minute at the time.

I was in ammo acquisition mode for a couple years before this present storm hit. I'm pretty well set in all calibers for all my firearms. Most of what I bought is factory ammo. I only handload 7.62x39 for now. The Mini-30 is the one gun I have that benefits from custom loads, and does most things well enough with factory ammo.
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Old 08-01-2020, 14:38   #63
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Probably too late for many folks trying to buy certain items, as there seems to be a serious demand for some items. Costs rise with demand, and availability diminishes.

Gas masks? Go look at current prices, as well as filters for same.

Body armor? The sky is the limit for "questionable", non-certified items. Certified items have been out-of-stock for some time.

Ammo? Your desired type is likely unavailable. Your second choice, likely the same.

Sorry to say this.

The good news is that your intelligent, tactically well-based approaches will likely stand you in good stead. Very few Antifa rioters will have full body armor, let alone bullet-resistant armor plates.

Those rioters wearing gas masks will likely NOT have eyeglass inserts, and so be practically blind. All of them will be unaccustomed to wearing the masks.

Masks, even under the best of conditions, make breathing and aiming rifles difficult. Takes training to do so properly. Doubt the Antifa types have done such training. May I suggest you train with your mask?


All the best!

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