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Old 05-17-2020, 14:55   #51
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Originally Posted by TrueTexan View Post
Add to your Trivia You forgot the most produce American aircraft of WWII in your list of airplanes. The Consolidated B-24 Liberator. My Dad was a gunner on the B-24 during WWII Flew out of Torretta, Italy. He did 35 mission then signed up for another tour did 18 more before being shot down over Austria and becoming a POW.
Wasn't exactly meant to be a list of airplanes, I just mentioned 3 of the most well known.
We tend to overlook the B-24, but it was a workhorse.
My Mom told me that before she met my Dad, she was married for a while to an Italian American guy who flew on a B-24. He was short, so they made him the belly gunner. That would be a scary job, you're hanging down in a plexiglass bubble, watching German fighters make strafing passes at the plane . Claustrophobia and exposure at the same time !
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Old 05-17-2020, 16:09   #52
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I checked, and the 7.62x39 has the edge over 77 grain MK262 MOD1 energy wise up to 100 yards (7.62 + 1016 and 77 has 944 Ft Lbs). At 200 they are a dead tie (7.62 660, and the .77 grainer 673 ft lbs) At 300, the 7.62 has 430, where the 77 has 470 ft lbs.

In fairness, the MK262 MOD1 outshines almost any other 5.56, except possibly 75 grain TAP. My nephew Marine Sgt. used MK262 MOD 1 in an M16A2 (they referred to it as a "Musket" because the others had M4s) to take out Mujihadin in Afghanistan at 300+ yards. He was an old school "Marine rifleman."

Regular ammo (M855 62 grain) was worthless from an M4 past 100 yards, or even less, because it ceases to tumble and come apart below 2650 fps. 77 grain OTMBT just comes apart, even at 300 yards...

With that said, as a whole, I do think the 7.62x39 is a superior round to the 5.56 and .223 as a whole (with the exception of the 75+ grain pills).
True on paper IMA.....but what also must be factored in is the cross section of the bullet. The x39mm being almost twice the diameter of the 5.56 transfers energy at a much more efficient rate. Who knows what the real world knock down power is between the two. I don't think either one is a slouch, but I wouldn't say the heavy 5.56 bullets have any advantage at urban battle field ranges.

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MY gawd!!! How'd all this get so personal?

Here's my .02 on the subject.

A Mini 14/30 is not an AR, M4 or M16. However the average Mini 14 made after 2005, IE:"580 Series" and above, is just as accurate as the average M4/M16 because the Military Standard for "Battlefield Accuracy" is 3-4 MOA. Virtually any newer Mini will do that easily, and most are <2 MOA out of the box and can easily be tightened up with just a $5 gas bushing and about 6-800 rounds to break the gun in properly.

But my biggest gripe about discussions maligning the Mini 14's accuracy, is the fact that those who are whining about the accuracy couldn't shoot a 1" group twice in a row if their lives depended on it,,, With any gun, let alone an AR !

I have shown this group many times here and it is <1MOA with a Red Dot Sight! Could I do it again? Only if I remember exactly how I was holding my Mouth !



As far as being a battle rifle, I feel the Mini 14 is far superior simply because if you run out of ammo it will make a much better club than any AR. They are just a much more substantial gun.

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Originally Posted by imarangemaster View Post
I checked, and the 7.62x39 has the edge over 77 grain MK262 MOD1 energy wise up to 100 yards (7.62 + 1016 and 77 has 944 Ft Lbs). At 200 they are a dead tie (7.62 660, and the .77 grainer 673 ft lbs) At 300, the 7.62 has 430, where the 77 has 470 ft lbs.

In fairness, the MK262 MOD1 outshines almost any other 5.56, except possibly 75 grain TAP. My nephew Marine Sgt. used MK262 MOD 1 in an M16A2 (they referred to it as a "Musket" because the others had M4s) to take out Mujihadin in Afghanistan at 300+ yards. He was an old school "Marine rifleman."

Regular ammo (M855 62 grain) was worthless from an M4 past 100 yards, or even less, because it ceases to tumble and come apart below 2650 fps. 77 grain OTMBT just comes apart, even at 300 yards...

With that said, as a whole, I do think the 7.62x39 is a superior round to the 5.56 and .223 as a whole (with the exception of the 75+ grain pills).
What 7.62x39 are you comparing to???

The MK262 MOD1 is good for 5.56, but it doesn't come close to the best 7.62x39!!! Don't try to make it what it's not.

STOP IT!!! I see enough nonsense like this on other forums. It's all I can do to resist joining those misinformed other forums to set them straight.

This is ridiculous!!!

The better x39, 124 gr RAS FMJBT for example, deliver 1000 ft-lbs out to 225 yards. It's 600+ ft-lbs at 400 yards, and 450 ft-lbs at 500 yards.

The RAS stats are with a starting muzzle velocity of 2450 from an 18" barrel, which is average for the round. The BC of the bullet in that round is 310. (at least one source claims 320 BC for that FMJ boat tail)
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I'm going to stick my fingers down my throat and vomit for a bit. I'll be back later...
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Just one more thing before I commence to vomiting. Most domestic x39 doesn't even reach the SAAMI 2350 fps, so you have to stop using that stuff, except for close range.
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LOL Beck, Take a deep breath! Read my post #48!!!! I have always maintained that generally speaking the 7.62x39 is a much superior round to the 5.56. I'll also give you that good 7.62x39 ammo is better than what I quoted (that was based on 8M3 ballistic info from chrono test and Speer's BC for the .311 125 spire point. Nosler Varbmagedon and Hornady reload loads do an easy 2450 with better BC.

My Main point was that the 77 grainer 5.56s were the ONLY 5.56 that I felt that even came close to 7.62x39 over all. If all you have is a 5.56, it is the best choice. I also said that I chose the MiIni-14 over the Mini-30 this time because I got such a smoking deal on it, and I am not fighting a war at this point.
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Originally Posted by imarangemaster View Post
If all you have is a 5.56, it is the best choice.
I agree with you there. If I chose to have a Mini-14 I would use that 77 grainer.

But I haven't even addressed handloads for x39 yet. bullets between 110 gr and 150 gr is where I keep it for my uses, but some people use 100 gr and lighter bullets at crazy high velocities to good effect. a 125 gr high BC bullet can be pushed to velocities approaching 2550 fps at the muzzle.

I brought up one of my favorite rounds, the RAS (or Golden Tiger) 124 gr FMJBT, but since the MK262 MOD1 is loaded with a Matchking we should compare it to x39 loaded with 125 gr or 135 gr Matchkings. Even the Sierra 135 gr Matchking can be pushed to 2450 fps from an 18" barrel Mini-30. With a BC of about .375 at x39 velocities that will kick the a$$ of RAS. Hey that rhymes!

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Thanks 40nascar. As I am partial to brass in my Mini-14 and Mini-30....I found this bit of information of particular use and interest!
Glad to be of help. To offset some of my ammo expenses you can send donations to ..........
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Originally Posted by imarangemaster View Post
Oh, by the way, now that I have convinced you how much I love the Mini-14 shooting 77 grainers... A Mini-30 is still on my short list. After all I still have 1,000 rounds of ammo and some mags....
PM me if you ever need to sell these things off
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I'll take either one for bipedal critters and nether is my choice for quadrupedal type critters. Both are stopped by body armor as well as the .308 by ceramic, poly or steel. I'm thinking a mark 19 40mm auto and a few thousand rounds. Now we're talking fellas! Gonna pull the trigger on an AR pistol here soon in neither of these cartridges. I'm thinking .300 BO.
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The Mini-30 was first introduced by Ruger as a deer rifle, and people have been harvesting deer with it since about 1987, even with the relatively wimpy US made 7.62x39. Serious hunters loaded there own from the beginning with .308 bullets. The rifle/carbine was marketed for quadrupedal type critters... that includes deer, black bear., and quite obviously wild hogs... if you do the math.

It will take any game you can take with a 30-30 Win, and do it better if you get the right factory ammo or even better... load your own.

By the way, Ruger was not trying the replace the 30-30 Win. They were paying homage to it as the caliber that has taken more deer in north America than any other caliber. If a hunter couldn't manage deer with a Mini-30, he/she wouldn't do any better with a lever-action 30-30 win. That would be a problem with the rifleman, not the rifle.
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