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Old 06-21-2019, 14:13   #26
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Old 06-21-2019, 14:35   #27
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The box for PMC Bronze says 3200fps, Wolf Gold says 3250. One made in Korea, the other Taiwan.
Obviously, pretty much the same stuff.
From what I see, guys buy whichever they get the best deal on.
Wish my eyes were better, maybe I'd get some of that fancy ammo!
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Old 06-21-2019, 14:37   #28
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Originally Posted by RJF View Post
Gearhead, thanks for the info! I don't own a chrono.
I would guess my PMC Bronze is even worse!!! (not being "Gold")

Would it be inappropriate or inconvenient to point out that PMC doesn't offer a "Gold"????

Perhaps you were confused with Wolf Gold...which does seem slower.
Thanks for the reminder!
The ammo I chronographed was Federal XM193 and PMC Bronze.
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Wolf Gold - for the range and field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z7GB6RD4kI


LC M193 - for social work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZPGSiDs5_k




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Old 07-23-2019, 18:09   #31
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I don't have a chrono but when I reload .223 I shoot for 3250 fps. I use the established numbers as posted on the powders web site. It's usually a 24" barrel with a 1/12 twist. The NATO stuff is usually loaded to much higher pressure (62,000 lbs per square inch) and a 20" 1/7 twist barrel.

Using a little math you can adjust the powder amount to get to those velocity numbers you like. Posted pressures are in the 52,000 to 55,000 PSI. Some are in copper units of pressure and I found a formula to convert that to PSI. I have some guns that have not had a factory round in them in 40 years.

The down side is I don't have any 24 inch 1/12 barrels to confirm numbers. With a little more math you can insert your barrel length and get a velocity number. Here again, a chrono would be nice to see how close my math is.

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Old 07-23-2019, 21:00   #32
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M193 is a very good round, much better than the M855. Both rounds were developed for 20" M16 and M16A2 barrels. Both rely on about 2550 to 2600 fps to yaw and break up. M855 only does that to about 100 yards from a 16" barrel (75 yards from a 14.5), but M193 will do it to 150 to 225 yards depending on barrel length (16" or 20"). I have seen a SWAT M193 hit on a felon, and it was decisive and terminal.

If I did not have both a Mini and an AR15 with 1/7 twist barrels that loved MK262 MOD1 77 grainers, I would use M193.
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for my 580 mini:

my best performing plinking range ammo was remington umc. surprising accuracy in my mini. otherwise, federal bulk at wal-marts for busting cans and bottles.

best match ammo was hornady v-max. could get around (sometimes under) 2" consistently with that stuff....if your wallet can hold out.....

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Now I know some here prefer to roll their own but I'd like see what some of you generally feed your mini when it comes to store bought.

When it comes to performance of my mini it really likes fiocchi and bear. It also seems to like federal's bulk green tip but I don't use that for anything other than range use.
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for my 580 mini:

my best performing plinking range ammo was remington umc. surprising accuracy in my mini. otherwise, federal bulk at wal-marts for busting cans and bottles.

best match ammo was hornady v-max. could get around (sometimes under) 2" consistently with that stuff....if your wallet can hold out.....

I like to reload with Vmax's. Good accuracy and if you look online I can get them for around 14 to 18 cents each. That is just for the bullet. Throw in the powder and primer and I'm up to 25 to 30 cents each using once fired brass.
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that is quite a deal (reloading) vs buying the rounds factory for about a buck a pop. but the v-max definitely found the sweet spot in my mini. i tried several other match loads...some good, some average....but the v-max eeked out the best and most consistent accuracy in my 580 ranch rifle.

doubt i'll ever get into reloading (mostly a space & time issue). but i never could hang with the shooters who would reload on this forum...they always seemed to find the "secret recipe" for their rifles and posted really amazing groups that i couldn't really touch with factory ammo...or maybe thye just shot better than me....hmmm....never thought of that possibility.


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I like to reload with Vmax's. Good accuracy and if you look online I can get them for around 14 to 18 cents each. That is just for the bullet. Throw in the powder and primer and I'm up to 25 to 30 cents each using once fired brass.
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that is quite a deal (reloading) vs buying the rounds factory for about a buck a pop. but the v-max definitely found the sweet spot in my mini. i tried several other match loads...some good, some average....but the v-max eeked out the best and most consistent accuracy in my 580 ranch rifle.

doubt i'll ever get into reloading (mostly a space & time issue). but i never could hang with the shooters who would reload on this forum...they always seemed to find the "secret recipe" for their rifles and posted really amazing groups that i couldn't really touch with factory ammo...or maybe thye just shot better than me....hmmm....never thought of that possibility.
WE tend to do a lot of shooting to find that "secret" recipe. If you haven't done so get your trigger tuned. Mine came from ASI and they did a great job. It's now something like a 2 stage with a 4 lb break. The factory was closer to 6 lbs with some scratchy creep until it broke. But, doing all of that shooting was really 1/2 the fun. Finding that "secret" load was the other 1/2.


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