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Old 07-18-2019, 11:06   #51
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Each to his or her own. Yes I do change settings on the optics I do not use for hunting, my hunting weapons I shoot the same ammo all the time I do not use wood on those weapons. I like the ability to grab and go and know where my POI will be. I have things that work for me if I'm happy that's all that matters to me. Sanddog I agree there are may variables that can change POI, what works for me may not work for others. I started in the early sixties hunting and shooting when ammo was lousy and optics sucked we all have our preferences mine work for me. As to steel never have used it probably never will. Smart arse comments by a newbie about what I do are really not needed.
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Good info on this thread. And while I was going to avoid steel because I always have, I may try some Silver Bear, just for grins.
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Each to his or her own. Yes I do change settings on the optics I do not use for hunting, my hunting weapons I shoot the same ammo all the time I do not use wood on those weapons. I like the ability to grab and go and know where my POI will be. I have things that work for me if I'm happy that's all that matters to me. Sanddog I agree there are may variables that can change POI, what works for me may not work for others. I started in the early sixties hunting and shooting when ammo was lousy and optics sucked we all have our preferences mine work for me. As to steel never have used it probably never will. Smart arse comments by a newbie about what I do are really not needed.

Have a good range or field day Sandog.
Newbie or not, I realize how asinine it is to think that a weapons POI will never change. Thats regardless of the ammo used. So many things factor into a weapons accuracy over time, I don't need to be some seasoned veteran shooter to understand that.

Maybe next time when you ask a question, leave the snide undertones out of the equation about what others do with their rifles, and this "newbie" won't make any smartass comments.

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Newbie or not, I realize how asinine it is to think that a weapons POI will never change. Thats regardless of the ammo used. So many things factor into a weapons accuracy over time, I don't need to be some seasoned veteran shooter to understand that.

Maybe next time when you ask a question, leave the snide undertones out of the equation about what others do with their rifles, and this "newbie" won't make any smartass comments.

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Ok I think you should re-read what I posted. Where do I say anything about what others do with there weapons?
Is newbie the word that pissed you off?
Are you a reloader?
I think you do need to be a seasoned veteran shooter and reloader to understand what I am talking about.
I also do not know what snide undertones your talking about, but if your happy making smart @ss comments so be it, I'll be happy to reply.
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Sorry guy not meaning to throw the thread off track or piss off the new guy. How I did it I really do not understand. Someone telling me to give up shooting just rubbed me the wrong way. Guess I've reading to many troll posts lately.
Again sorry guys.
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Sorry guy not meaning to throw the thread off track or piss off the new guy. How I did it I really do not understand. Someone telling me to give up shooting just rubbed me the wrong way. Guess I've reading to many troll posts lately.

Again sorry guys.
You need to realize that your question came off more like 'why would you do that, instead of just doing it this way'

As if others preferences are are dumb and they should just do it your way. It's obvious through your reply that you had not meant it to be taken that way.

Also, while it is true that I am new here and that I am also young and new in comparison to shooting (so yes, technically a newbie in your eyes) I will be honest in saying that I do not prefer the term. I have been shooting since I was a child and have continued up until this day. Spent the majority of my military time on a line platoon as a squad designated marksman.

I will admit that my original comment was a bit harsh as I was reacting to something I perceived in a different way. So I do apologise.

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Sandog: as far as the 189 I've had the gas block off only once and have never had to change bushings. My main point was that I can not understand why anyone would shoot berdan primed ammo if they reload, other than it being cheaper to shoot. Maybe it's my OCD about reloading but if it's not reloadable it's not for me. Yes I get your point about bullets and primers but I haven't had that problem yet and yes using bench rest primers does make my hunting rounds more expensive. It is not like I never tweak my settings but it doesn't happen often on my hunting weapons.
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hoagie90: Thank you you also have my apology for my comments.
Ok good to know your a long time shooter.
I did 6 years from 68 to 74 sunny south east asia and other places that side of the world. Glad were straight no more N guy later.
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hoagie90: Thank you you also have my apology for my comments.

Ok good to know your a long time shooter.

I did 6 years from 68 to 74 sunny south east asia and other places that side of the world. Glad were straight no more N guy later.
I did 6 years as well! 2008-2014, Iraq and Afghanistan with 1st Cav out of Fort Hood. Spent my last two years in the Mojave with 11th Cav in Fort Irwin, playing the bad guys.

I truly shouldn't let newbie bother me, as I am young enough to that I know I will still be hearing it for a while.

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Ah ...the ol steel cased ammo thread , only thing better is another AR vs Mini 14 thread . Somebody should cork that genie bottle . Or maybe not . I better get out of here .
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Sandog: as far as the 189 I've had the gas block off only once and have never had to change bushings. My main point was that I can not understand why anyone would shoot berdan primed ammo if they reload, other than it being cheaper to shoot. Maybe it's my OCD about reloading but if it's not reloadable it's not for me. Yes I get your point about bullets and primers but I haven't had that problem yet and yes using bench rest primers does make my hunting rounds more expensive. It is not like I never tweak my settings but it doesn't happen often on my hunting weapons.
I can't answer for Sandog, but I can give you my perspective. My 189 Series Mini-30 is one with the .308 bore, which are on the high side, but within the .308 spec. So my best ammunition choice is different at this point. It might be different for other reasons anyway, so we each find what works best in our individual firearms.

I'm just getting into handloading, but as someone who believes in stacking deep for a rainy day (read zombie invasion) I'm never going to try to reload/handload as much ammo as I believe I should have on hand.

I see handloading as supplemental to factory ammo, particularly because we can tweak a load for a specialized purpose beyond the offerings we can buy off the shelf. Other than that I'd be hard pressed to load something that's much better in the normal range of what's already out there from the factory.

In my case I'm shooting the best groups I ever have in my Mini-30 now this year and last year. I've owned this thing for nearly 30 years and have shot most everything there is at one time or another. My best groups now are just under 2" @ 100 yards and I'm doing that with a Russian made steel case/bimetal bullet variety that costs me 23 cents a round including shipping. It also hits harder than domestic ammo. RAS 124gr FMJBT #AM2423.

Sandog, among others, shoots tighter groups than mine with his steel case ammo of choice.

What can't I do with a Mini-30 shooting under 2" groups @ 100 yards? I'm not taking it to Camp Perry, but that's not what this type of weapon is for. In terms of practical utility this Mini can do everything it was designed to do and do it with flying colors... hunting, self-defence, and just plain having fun plinking.

I'd have to be off my nut to stop buying this ammo. And I'll continue to try other brands and types with an open mind. Half the fun of it all is experimenting. Barnaul's zinc-coated steel case Silver Bear is next on my list.

By the way, for anyone out there still afraid of bimetal bullets I just slugged my bore again with a 32 caliber lead pistol bullet. According to Ruger's records for my particular Mini-30 based on serial number, it left the factory in July of 1989 with .300" lands and .3089" grooves. I got those same numbers years ago when I had the bore slugged by an Illinois State Police armorer friend of mine.

After 30 years of shooting mostly steel case/bimetal rounds my bore right now in 2019 measures .300" lands and .309" groves.

Full disclosure to keep things real... the resolution of my digital caliper is 0.0005" which is not as tight as Ruger's or my old state police friend's caliper. So .3089" would display as .309 on my caliper, but so would .3092. Above that it would jump to the next 0.0005 and would display as .3095. The lands could be .301 or .302 and I wouldn't know it with This digital caliper. But it doesn't really matter. I've been pushing .310 - .311 diameter bimetal and copper jacketed bullets though this .308 bore all these years. Yet this barrel is barely broken in.

And finally... Happy 30th Birthday to my Mini-30. It's July. I bought it that October when I was in my 20s. It's been fun. My favorite firearm of all those I've owned since age 10.
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Good info Beck.
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For some reason I'm prejudiced against AK rounds.
Slugging the 189 barrel I come up with .308 also (ruger said it was .311-.312) I guess the forcing cone is what they measured. The bi-metal bullets are the problem for me not the case so much. I can shoot plated copper just as cheaply. Not saying your wrong about anything you state I'm just not a fan of steel. As far as accuracy if it works for you great. I have a lot of time to reload and it keeps the wife's honey-do list at bay. Using brass and copper I have never had a FTF or FTE unlike my G-Kid who uses steel and I hear cussing at the next bench over. For me factory ammo is the supplemental. I did buy some Barnes for the 300 AAC and liked them, then I bought some of their 110 and 125 grn monolithic bullets to try in the 189. Haven't got to shoot them yet maybe soon if it ever stops raining.
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I've bought brass case exclusively since owning my Mini 30. Have yet to venture from the Hornady 123gr SST I've been purchasing. I have yet to start reloading myself, but I have been saving the brass for when I do.

I might buy some steel cased silver bear to try it out. But I'm not sure I will ever move away from brass cased ammo.

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The other reason for not wanting to purchase russian or chinese steel ammo I can not see giving communist countries any more American dollars. Cheap is one thing supporting our enemies is another. What good are sanctions on the russians if we buy their products. I do not want cheap if it puts the U.S. in more debt to other countries especially commie countries.
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The other reason for not wanting to purchase russian or chinese steel ammo I can not see giving communist countries any more American dollars. Cheap is one thing supporting our enemies is another. What good are sanctions on the russians if we buy their products. I do not want cheap if it puts the U.S. in more debt to other countries especially commie countries.
I will stand behind that idea. To be honest I never really thought of it that way since the enemy of my generation has always been terrorism (or Dare I say it, muslims).

I will continue to put my money into Hornady.

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What's a lot worse than a few thousand guys buying a case of ammo from Russia, is all the Chinese crap we buy, and the huge trade deficit we have with China.
How many trillions are we in debt to them at this date?
While we grew up with Russia as the "Boogieman" , China is a much bigger threat to our security.

They continue to get richer from all the crap we buy from them, while we get weaker financially.
Trump realizes what a problem the trade deficit is, and has started to do something about it.
As long as we buy a lot more stuff from China than they buy from us, the situation will only get worse.

Buying a million sporting rifle rounds from Russia every year is the least of our worries.
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I go out of my way (and spend more money) to buy specifically Made in the U.S.A. products. Obviously I don't buy 100% but I always try my best.

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It is hard to find items that aren't made in china, hopefully that will change the more manufacturing that comes back here. Sadly vietnam and other commie countries are open for business. Global business says cheaper labor is why they go to these countries which is a lie. Global business wants a work force they can treat like slaves it has little to do with cost. Work them to death no rules or regulations to deal with plus these countries care little about there citizens as long as the ruling class can put money in their pockets.
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