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Old 12-31-2017, 09:50   #26
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*sigh*......... Ruger, you ALMOST won me over. When I heard they had another PCC coming out I became instantly excited. I was thinking maybe they finally brought back the PC9. No luck.

I personally would not ever buy one. The takedown feature serves me no purpose and it already is in a small package. It is the same reason why I won't buy a takedown 10/22. Love the standard one though. I just worry about long term durability with the takedown mechanism.

The worst offense is a tie. Too much plastic. I know that now polymer can be just as strong, if not stronger than metal but having walnut and steel spoiled me. Polymer stocks are useful but just don't do it for me. The other big no-no to me is the huge rail on the top. Yes, I know why they did it and I understand it is a huge benefit to most shooters to at least have options when mounting optics.

They have a few things going for them though, the ability to use 10/22 trigger components, great Ruger customer service, a high probability of great reliability, tied together with common and inexpensive magazines. The gun seems to be fully ambidextrous which is a perk for leftys even though it does let more dirt in the action since one side will be exposed.

This gun was clearly designed for the tactical crowd. Even though I don't like looks or care for tactical anything I hope Ruger sells a metric ton of them. Since Marlin got rid of the Camp 9 type rifles, we were left with a few moderately successful PCCs that were affordable. This seems to fill a serious void in the firearms market. Hopefully, one day they will either make a 9mm Deerfield type carbine or scale the mini-14 action down for 9mm available with a wood stock and metal parts. If you are going to dream you might as well dream big.
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Old 12-31-2017, 10:11   #27
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The takedown feature serves me no purpose and it already is in a small package. It is the same reason why I won't buy a takedown 10/22. Love the standard one though. I just worry about long term durability with the takedown mechanism.
Flatlander55...I agree with you on the takedown feature. I too worry about the additional complexity and its impact on long term serviceability. If a non takedown version were available I would opt for it over the current offerings. Until then I am going to go with one of these just for the fun factor.

Like you, I have avoided the take down version of the 10/22. It is more expensive and if you really want a compact 10/22 get a carbine (my favorite version is the 1256...betting my brother in Texas agrees. ) and put a Choate aftermarket folder on it IMHO.

That said, I do realize that though I have the luxury of doing this in the enlightened State of Indiana...not all of our brothers and sisters have this option. Based on the 10 round version sans the threaded barrel I am surmising that the takedown version is an option in states who do not respect the U.S. Constitution.

YMMV, different strokes for different folks. I bet the takedown feature will have a serious appeal to many and if that helps the rifle thrive I can make peace with it.
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Old 12-31-2017, 18:12   #28
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I will say I'm one for take downs. Mainly due to my continuous hiking trips were it's a pain to have a rifle dangling on my back.
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I'm not all that thrilled at the takedown feature either, but if you're really against it, you could use loctite on the threads and ignore the feature. Myself, I see a value in a carbine that takes pistol mags with a perceivable reduced over-penetration hazard and recoil. Though a Mini-14 is its likely competition, compare:

10 round magazines available for both, about thirty bucks SR9 or 14.

Ammo is a bit of a wash; cheap practice steel case ball is 25 cents or so for either caliber.

Both can accept weaver rings though the Mini's solution is an add-on rail that still requires high rings to clear the rear sight. The PC9 has rather tall iron sights that might just co-witness on a suitable red dot.

Butt pad spacers adjust for length of pull the Mini doesn't have... yet.

The PC9 forend has a short accessory rail not found on a stock Mini.

What I would really like to see? A .357 Sig barrel conversion for a future .40. A much better option for reloading.
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I've got an old school PC9 which suits me just fine. The p-95 mags match up with same pistol. This new one is kind of an ugly duckling IMHO. I might consider one though to go with my G23 if they release it in .40 cal.
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Old 01-01-2018, 04:28   #31
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I played around with getting max velocity out of my 9mm AR-15, and even with the slowest powder, I could only get another 200 fps. To be honest, Power Pistol out performed the slower HS6 powder. It was a blast to shoot, and 100 yard center mass body hits were very easy. There is very limited case capacity in 9mm, it will never come close to 357 magnum velocity(which I have heard people say in the past)
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Old 01-01-2018, 08:42   #32
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Originally Posted by 40nascar View Post
I've got an old school PC9 which suits me just fine. The p-95 mags match up with same pistol.
As do I 40nascar, along with a PC 40....though the fact that they are no longer supported by the factory and the fact that replacement parts are not as readily available limits my inclination to shoot them as much as I would enjoy so doing. They have pretty much been relegated to safe queen status at this point.

I am hoping that the lightened PC Carbine will make it a more suitable shooting option for my wife as well, the old style Ruger PCCs...though I adore them...are just a bit too heavy for her to shoot unless they are sitting on sandbags.
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Old 01-01-2018, 09:10   #33
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Like you, I have avoided the take down version of the 10/22. It is more expensive and if you really want a compact 10/22 get a carbine (my favorite version is the 1256...betting my brother in Texas agrees. ) and put a Choate aftermarket folder on it IMHO.
oh......stainless 10/22? little brother might have already dabbled in that market.
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Old 01-01-2018, 09:20   #34
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Once again... Hawkguy has to ruin everyting.
I liked your post.....but really....it hurt. (reviewing forum rules on the process for banning a moderator).

I gotta admit...i'm not adding much here. but I will say again, look at the top pic on the ruger website....mentally chop the back of that stock off and add a side folder. this gun was destined to be a folder. I think it would actually create a sort of modern day M1carbine folder.

think on it! between the folder and the take down feature.....you could put this rifle in your pocket.

as usual, ruger will give me no credit when they steal another of my ideas from this board.

https://ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/models.html
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Old 01-01-2018, 11:53   #35
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I don't own a chrono so based on advice gleaned reading 'G&A' loading reports I went to Power Pistol for +P 9mm and .45 acp for my Marlin camp guns. the 9 comes out with a 'crack' - I load for myself and 2 nephews that have 9s, one a Kel-Tec & S&W combo other a Hi-Point carbine and Kahr (actually his wifey grabbed the carbine right off so he's out of a truck carbine) those +P 124 gr JHPs do some bad damage on overripe melons out of the dumpster. like an actual spray of juice and innards.
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Old 01-01-2018, 13:06   #36
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I may change my opinion (I'm on hormones, so I'm allowed), but my CX4 Storm with standard 115gr 9mm is all fine with me for my purposes: primarily home/farm defense, but also as a fun-gun plinker. Within 100' reach in most places on the farm I can get to a Mini-14 or .223 bolt gun. For BGs/Zombies shooting at me from 300 yards, the Minis/bolt gun will suffice. Should someone get much closer, the CX4 with standard ammo will suffice quite nicely. and it's fun and cheap to shoot!

The Ruger PCC would be too. No real regrets getting the CX4, as my primary 9mm pistol is a 92FS, and not many PCCs making accommodations for a P-38 mag...Don't own a Glock or Ruger 9mm pistol and am not willing to expand my array to get one.

Hope Ruger wins on the PCC; they clearly thought market demand and other things out. They need some financial wins of late. All depends on intended use. A back-packer who carried a Glock 9mm would surely love it; or an owner of the dreaded Glock. Price point is reasonable, and the take-down feature is nice.

Just not for me, but I can admire...
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Old 01-01-2018, 18:37   #37
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Originally Posted by Marlin 45 carbine View Post
I don't own a chrono so based on advice gleaned reading 'G&A' loading reports I went to Power Pistol for +P 9mm and .45 acp for my Marlin camp guns. the 9 comes out with a 'crack' - I load for myself and 2 nephews that have 9s, one a Kel-Tec & S&W combo other a Hi-Point carbine and Kahr (actually his wifey grabbed the carbine right off so he's out of a truck carbine) those +P 124 gr JHPs do some bad damage on overripe melons out of the dumpster. like an actual spray of juice and innards.
Power Pistol is obnoxiously loud and flashy, even a reduced load!
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Old 01-01-2018, 21:39   #38
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Based on CO Steves research it appears that factory loaded 9 and 40 ammo is ALMOST as good as hand loading when using it in a carbine. A person could tweak a load and get just a small amount of velocity in a carbine vs. a hand gun. With that in mind, is it worth hand loading?

If there is a significant savings in cost; yes, but it would not be worth it if it required a huge outlay in funds to start up loading a new caliber. If velocity is important, go with the .357, .41 ot the .44.
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Old 01-02-2018, 10:20   #39
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For some of us semi-shooters, reloading isn't worth the effort or investment. I seriously admire those who do (particularly you, Steve, and kwg), but the potential relaxation of doing so isn't enough for me: I have horse chores to do as well as working on my workshop to have a toilet and space to set up my Dad's rather expansive train set...

Perhaps some day I'll get into re-loading, but my consumption and available time doesn't justify it at present. It does, though, allow me to keep in mind your valuable posts and experience when the time comes.

Thank you for sharing!
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Considering premium ammo like ballistic tip stuff is almost $1/shot, reloading has save me $$$ over the years because that’s what I primarily shoot!
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Absolutely not, no, it's never worth it to handload!!! You have to charge the full value of your time to your hobby just like you charge your time watching sports, playing on the computer, going on vacation and any other recreation you do, right???

You can get a relatively inexpensive single stage handloading setup for a few hundred dollars, pick up range brass for free, and make your own handloads for about of what commercial ammo costs but who would want to do that??

I've got a high end setup that cost some $4k to handload 16 different calibers I've acquired over the last 14 years. During that time I've handloaded almost 185,000rds. However, I'm just going to lick my wounds on the money I spent on my reloading equipment and try to sooth myself with the over $28,900 it saved me in ammo costs during that time over the cost of the commercial ammo I would have bought.
There is logic in your argument CO Steve. Especially if you own NO reloading equipment. I was fortunate to have bought some of my basic kit at the Army PX in Alaska in the mid 1970's. I justify the time as "therapy".

All of my basic gear paid for it' self many years ago. I may never own a high end setup but I have my reloading down to a science and I can limit my time in front of the press and focus on shooting. Lately, prices on brass and bullets have been inching down at the gun shows and on line. I even got some cheap powder that was on sale before the first of the year.

The quest for the perfect round at the right price never stops. It's almost obsessive compulsive.
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I hope they offer one in 40 that takes Glock magazines.

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RUGER is not famous for allowing the use of other brand mags
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Originally Posted by hawkguy View Post
beauty is definitely in the eye of the beer-holder.

but its not hi-point ugly. and not even so much ugly as awkward. its just the puny mag that throws the entire look of it off for me. in a pistol grip with a collapsible stock or folder...I might be taking a hard look at it myself. this carbine definitely has some good features, function wise.

I think you'll have a lot of fun with it! enjoy & congrats!

The reliable but ugly, reliable Hi-point is putting out a 10 mm and i want one. did i mention they are reliable ?
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RUGER is not famous for allowing the use of other brand mags
very true and I think the fact that the pc carbine does accommodate glock mags is one of the main selling points for many here. I think the 40 will be popular if they decide to release one. I think a wood stock would also go over well...or a folder....

I don't have a glock or ruger pistol so its kinda whatev for me.....besides, ruger has me whipped...I enjoy overpaying for their mags....
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besides, ruger has me whipped...I enjoy overpaying for their mags....[IMG class=inlineimg]http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/images/oldsmilies/tongue.gif[/IMG]
Same but look at the bright side. We now have a Ruger firearm that(hopefully) will take that infamous Glock drum mag!
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Same but look at the bright side. We now have a Ruger firearm that(hopefully) will take that infamous Glock drum mag!
For when the revolution happens. I know it's going to happen. I just know it. That's right !! Mark my word.
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i like it. I went to the gun store today inquiring about one. I own a Hi-Point 9mm carbine already but the fact that I can use my glock magazines with this carbine is great. I dont know how much velocity gain Im getting with the hi-point carbine over a handgun but I know its some. I always try and use an already fast load and I figure it shoots 100-200fps faster in the carbine. Either way it doesnt matter. I can easily hit targets at 100yrds with my hi-point and I figure its not shooting with much effect past 150yrds or so but I have plenty of other guns for longer ranges. Im excited about getting one of these carbines.
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Won't likely get one of these, but I am very glad Ruger is introducing this. If they made a Beretta 92FS/M9 adapter, I'd be drooling. For now, I'll survive with my CX4 Storm.
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Won't likely get one of these, but I am very glad Ruger is introducing this. If they made a Beretta 92FS/M9 adapter, I'd be drooling. For now, I'll survive with my CX4 Storm.
If I had a CX4 I would be ok too. Since I have a Hi-Point I feel like an upgrade is in order and this Ruger seems like a good one to me. Truth be told I would like to have a 10mm like others but if they come out with a 10mm down the road it will give me a good reason to buy another one or maybe I will buy a Hi-Point here in a month or two when they come out.
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I don't look to the 9 MM carbine or any other pistol carbine to replace the better tool in the tool box. But when it comes to pure enjoyment, why not. Got my 9 MM stuff in today. Enough to load 1K rounds. Now to find me another carbine. Wonder when they will get around to a 45 Colt Carbine? COSteve, keep loading. KWG, most times it doesn't pay to load a new caliber. I just use the "why not" factor.

RJF, keep your shovel handy, horses put out bunches of fertilizer. I have shoveled a bunch, feed a bunch, and taken care of my share of horses, I never regretted it. We do for the most part, what we like doing. We should all keep at it. Otherwise we ruin the chairs and sofa's in our living rooms by making the cushions into butt impressions. Then the wives take us out out to buy new. And we die early.

So lets get a few PC Carbines, if not, other firearms of wood and steel, or plastic and aluminum. Or get another horse. My favorite was Hopscotch Nancy. A nice chestnut quarter bred with two white socks in the back. Or a nice 1968 Dodge Charger with a 383 or a Siamese cat named Norris. Or a new ball for your dog Diesel.

I am going on a rant, but a good one. I am going to get a PC Carbine and reload for it, when I can. Marlin, thanks for talking up the Camp 9.
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