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Old 10-16-2020, 09:50   #126
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I lived in Albuquerque NM in the early 90's. I had someone trying to break into my house two times (two different houses). I had to pull the gun each time to discourage the break in since I was at home. The first was the front door, which had a metal door frame and a sturdy door, which they kicked but couldn't break. I grabbed my pistol, slammed home the mag and cycled the action. This noise seems to have made the difference or it could be they hurt their foot on the door. The second they were able to open the garage door. The dog was in the garage and she went ballistic. I again grabbed the pistol and watched them leave. No pointing at anything. I carried the whole time I was there.

I lived one year in Chicago back in the 80's. I carried everyday there. Wasn't necessarily legal, but I didn't care. I worked in a bad part of town. A part that I wouldn't hang out after dark in. Never had an incident in Chicago.
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Old 10-23-2020, 17:39   #127
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Define saddened...If I raise a firearm to stop a threat I am not going to clutter my mind with regret or have an oh no mind set. Because you will miss entirely. I'll defer to all those videos of cops emptying magazines and not hitting the intended target. There are bad people that earn their lights out moment and I hope I'm not the one to turn them off, BUT if the situation arrives at my door, I will only see center mass, not looking in their face till they're down.
I didn't see your reply earlier. My point is there is no glory in taking human life. Don't even give the appearance of gloating over it if a day should come that you have to take a life to save yourself or others.

There is great honor in defending human life, and that should be the focus. If you find yourself in a life and death situation your good values aren't going to be a disadvantage. You know what to do, and you better do it fast. There's plenty of time to ponder life and death later.

My background includes a lifetime of gun ownership since age 10, martial arts (Shotokan Karate) since age 13, both student and instructor over the years, and several years in law enforcement.

Human life is sacred, but my moral convictions have never stopped me from acting lightning fast and decisively. I haven't lost a fight since I was 15, and even that was a draw.

If an attacker gives you no choice then shoot the bastard, but if you have time and opportunity to talk him down and end the confrontation without violence then do that.
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Old 10-25-2020, 18:55   #128
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Disagree again . Not all human life is sacred. Destroying evil is a sacred duty. remain as humble in victory as in defeat. And I see he becomes a bastard by your own words if they leave no choice! In that we agree sir. And you know I respect you bud.
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Old 10-25-2020, 22:29   #129
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We will agree to disagree for now. Undrstand that love is the most powerful force in the universe. You can't out hate your enemies. When two armies take the field filled with hate for one another, one thing is for certain... hate will win. Fight against your enemies with love in your heart for those you defend, including yourself. You will prevail.

As a martial artist I know that the highest level is fighting without fighting. Deescalate, diffuse, do everything you can to avoid serious injury or death. I've done it, both as a civilian on the street and in my capacity as an LEO.

Most everyone can be redeemed and turn their lives around. Blowing someone away is easy. Using your head to help that person get a second chance takes a little more imagination.

I pray to God I never have to shoot someone, but if I must I will.
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Old 10-26-2020, 09:19   #130
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Evil people do evil things.
Good people do good things.
Good people can also do evil things.
Evil people can also do good things.
As in war the winner decides right and wrong.
If Adolph would have won would right and wrong
have reversed meanings?
Facing true evil only leaves one choice it must be
defeated as the aftermath of WWII proved.
Good and evil are relative concepts used to
justify a persons actions after the fact.
The human race is, was, and always will be crazy
at least until we possibly exterminate ourselves.
Unlike other animals on the planet the only difference
being we do not normally eat the human prey we
kill at least so far.
We are all crazy as hell some are just crazier the others.
Killing is built into our DNA as hunter gathers.
When tech allowed us to kill more with less effort things
took a definite turn for the worse.
Wars should be fought as football games no tech weapons.
If you kill or maim a player revenge dictates your demise in the
next series of events.
Bottom line life goes on nothing we have done so far has
changed our base desires.
Dominance is the base motivating factor for all of us
even those who seem meek should never be backed into
a corner as that will have unforeseen consequences and
may just get you killed.
Have a happy day.
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Old 10-27-2020, 16:00   #131
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Beck: Understand that love is the most powerful force in the universe.

Actually "Survival" is the most powerful force. It is common to every living thing.

Love is not.

I wish it was, but reality is that Survival and ultimately the opportunity to reproduce for the species is what everything is trying to accomplish. The lengths that life will go to, in order to survive is vast and you need to look no father than the insect world to see just how gruesome it can become.

Humans are among the few species that will kill one another in order to survive, and we are supposed to be at the top of the food chain?

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Old 10-30-2020, 09:57   #132
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I will say God is pure love and light of righteousness. So in that context love is indeed the most powerful force in the known universe. If I am forced to strike another down it will be out of love for my God, Family and Country with His righteous fury! Read Psalm 144, David our poster child of sin and God's forgiveness! God Bless Mr. Beck and all of my patriot friends.
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Old 10-30-2020, 12:47   #133
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I pray to God I never have to shoot someone, but if I must I will.

Knowing exactly when your action will need to take place and what will trigger it is a conversation everyone of us needs to have well before it is actually needed.

The Left is telling everyone that if they don't win the election there will be "repercussions."

That should come to fruition by next Wednesday if they are telling the truth, so you should have time to lay out your individual trigger points, that would result in Deadly Force on another person.

You won't have time to figure all this out when push comes to shove. You might have time to react, and then again, you might be behind the curve and only have time to drop to avoid the incoming shot. in any event the sooner you decide to fire the better chance you will have of surviving the encounter.

Please understand,,, you must also hit what you are aiming at. and that is where practice in your gun handling and marksmanship come into play.

If your primary weapon is a pistol you need to shoot at least once a month and preferably once a week to maintain some semblance of proficiency. Just shooting at someone may or may not make you a winner. You actually need to hit them to prevail.

Better to be "Good" than "Lucky" in this case !!!

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Originally Posted by W.R.Buchanan View Post
Beck: Understand that love is the most powerful force in the universe.

Actually "Survival" is the most powerful force. It is common to every living thing.

Love is not.

I wish it was, but reality is that Survival and ultimately the opportunity to reproduce for the species is what everything is trying to accomplish. The lengths that life will go to, in order to survive is vast and you need to look no father than the insect world to see just how gruesome it can become.

Humans are among the few species that will kill one another in order to survive, and we are supposed to be at the top of the food chain?

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I don't accept any current theories of evolution. I believe we were created.

We are different beings than any other creature on Earth in that we ponder love, life, death. Think of the soldier who throws himself on a grenade to protect his brothers in arms from the blast. That's an act of divine love, disregarding his own survival... very Christ-like. We hold them in high esteem... the most honored dead.

There is surely something greater than self preservation in such a selfless act.

It's impossible to discuss use of force without talking about ethics, which often entails our spiritual beliefs.

If I'm ever involved in a situation where I have to use deadly force with a firearm, for me that would be regrettable that it came to that. And that's the attitude people are going to want to see in you if you have to use deadly force.

After the smoke clears we have to deal with investigators, prosecutors, perhaps a grand jury, and of course a judge. The right answer is, "I'm thankful I was able to defend myself and/or loved ones, including strangers... innocent civilians. However, I wish there had been another way where nobody got hurt. The aggressor gave me no choice."

^^^^^ I can say that without having to fake it because that's how I feel about it.

I know one local retired police officer who had to use deadly force. There was a struggle for his duty weapon and the assailant was shot and killed. The officer retired early and had a hard time getting over it. I say he was a decent fellow with high ideals and good values, so of course it shook him up. He did what he had to do and his actions were quickly judged to be justifiable, within the law and his duty to protect and serve. That didn't help much as he wrestled with the reality of taking a human life. No doubt he was in the right, but there were no balloons, no celebration, and no party favors.

As gun owners we should be the most level headed, responsible people on the planet. "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God." If we have that attitude and if we someday have no choice but to use deadly force, they will say of us, "They didn't want it that way and tried best they could to settle matters peaceably."
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Beck: I understand you position perfectly, my only question to you would be,,,

"Who do you think instilled the "Survival instinct" in every living thing?"

There's only one place it could come from.

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It’s all about like having a first aid kit in the car. You never know.. when you may need it and hope you never do. But if you do, you want it to be good enough.

Have two dogs. They bark just fine. I don’t live in fear. A man is responsible for his own safety. Buying reliable firearms, and becoming familiar with it is all part of being responsible. The same as a first aid kit.
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Ontos; good to hear from you. I thought we scared you off.

As far as Daraping: We can actually have guns here in the US and can use them without going to jail if someone comes into our house to kill us. Like could be happening here if things keep going the way they are going.

Sorry you can't protect yourself and have to submit to Anal Gang Rape of you and your spouse and kids or you'd go to jail. Something just inherently wrong with that?

We have a new DA in LA, 60 miles away, that is letting all his Criminals out of jail so they can reoffend cuz they were so mistreated because they were Black or Brown or simply on Crank! That's 1 hour away from his Sphere of Influence.

You should already know what the effects of having Geo Soros involved in your politics is like, as he was instrumental in getting most of your guns banned in AUS. I doubt your country is any safer now than it was before. Just alot less you can do about it once it hits.

And it will hit, just a matter of time!

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Old 12-27-2020, 13:06   #139
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I don't want to shoot anyone, even in my worse day I couldn't imagine. No pistols and no suppressors. Just want a last stand. Nothing in the house is worth someone being killed or even wounded. For now I have the 9MM Carbine. Short, handy and on target. Was thinking of the short barreled shotgun and some double 00. Thanks for the response.
1. Maybe nothing in the house........except the lives of you and your wife?

2. Your 9mm carbine is perfect. Don't change. A shotgun--especially with a short barrel--is too loud and has too much muzzle flash for use in the house.

It will leave you deaf and blind for a few minutes after your first shot.

You seem to have things figured out pretty well otherwise.
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Ontos; good to hear from you. I thought we scared you off.

As far as Daraping: We can actually have guns here in the US and can use them without going to jail if someone comes into our house to kill us. Like could be happening here if things keep going the way they are going.

Sorry you can't protect yourself and have to submit to Anal Gang Rape of you and your spouse and kids or you'd go to jail. Something just inherently wrong with that?

We have a new DA in LA, 60 miles away, that is letting all his Criminals out of jail so they can reoffend cuz they were so mistreated because they were Black or Brown or simply on Crank! That's 1 hour away from his Sphere of Influence.

You should already know what the effects of having Geo Soros involved in your politics is like, as he was instrumental in getting most of your guns banned in AUS. I doubt your country is any safer now than it was before. Just alot less you can do about it once it hits.

And it will hit, just a matter of time!

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Not scared off, I just donít spend a lot of time here because thereís a lot of bad information, fudd-lore and myth being played off as fact. 🤷🏻*♂️
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Aw come on,,, it's not that bad ,,, is it?

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Aw come on,,, it's not that bad ,,, is it?

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Itís kinda like going back in time to a 1980ís gun show some days.
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I was 30 years old in 1980, and I was going to gun shows. Better stuff back then and way cheaper prices. I was also in better shape.

Shooting schools didn't exist in 1980, If I had the kind of training I've gotten over the last 15 years I'd be a completely different person. I certainly would have been more competitive in the sports as I didn't even find out about them until 1990. Piru was all about Pistol shooting games, and Shotgun Sports were strictly Clays and Rifle games were National Match.

I went to watch a buddy shoot at Bowling Pins around that time, he had a 1911 built specifically for that, and he'd paid $3500 to get it built. My car didn't even cost that much.

Things have changed alot since then.

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