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Old 05-17-2012, 13:25   #1
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We worry about how our politicians are bringing this country down both morally and financially, and rightly so. Both Democrats and Republicans are guilty of it, though Democrats are making it happen much faster. It won't make a bit of difference if we do not secure our southern border. I mean really secure it. Close it. This article should be an eye opener to those who think otherwise.

Mexican Jihad :: Gatestone Institute

"Mexican authorities have rolled up a Hezbollah network being built in Tijuana, right across the border from Texas and closer to American homes than the terrorist hideouts in the Bekaa Valley are to Israel. Its goal, according to a Kuwaiti newspaper that reported on the investigation: to strike targets in Israel and the West. Over the years, Hezbollah—rich with Iranian oil money and narcocash—has generated revenue by cozying up with Mexican cartels to smuggle drugs and people into the U.S. In this, it has shadowed the terrorist-sponsoring regime in Tehran, which has been forging close ties with Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, who in turn supports the narcoterrorist organization FARC, which wreaks all kinds of havoc throughout the region."
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Old 05-17-2012, 13:38   #2
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Yeah, that should be a priority.

We should end the misguided, counterproductive, expensive and failed "war on drugs."

We should be a good neighbor to Mexico - finally.

If the jihadis are finding fertile recruting ground in Mexico, it is because of the desperation that results from the lives of ever worsening despair, poverty, and crime with no end in sight. Ending the "drugs war" is an absolutely critical first step in turning this dire situation around.

Mexicans know we are largely responsible for the problems in their country, so add to the list of incentives for jihadis, resentment. Religion is often a vehicle for the expression of other motives, such as shaking off the imperialist yoke. This is certainly true in the mid-east.

Poor Mexico, so far from God, so close to the United States
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Old 05-17-2012, 13:39   #3
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Allah Akbar, now want to buy some weed or coke?

Want to bet "Fast And Furious" let guns walk over to Hezboallah? Eric Holder, the Terrorist Defender, what a joke. (Bad joke on Americans...)

We need Obama, and his crooked Liberal buddies all out of office this election season folks.

Time to wake up America, and stop dreaming or hope for change. We must make it happen, for real change to become reality.
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...Mexicans know we are largely responsible for the problems in their country...
Yes, it's a safe bet that 200+ years of rampant corruption had nothing to do with it.
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Que pasa Allah Akbar! Yo quiero pistolas? LOL
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UHHMMMM Tiajuana is south of San Diego,CA and nowhere near TX. Basic fact checks kiddo's.
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UHHMMMM Tiajuana is south of San Diego,CA and nowhere near TX. Basic fact checks kiddo's.
"Oh, THAT Tijuana!" <slap forehead>

I was wondering if Texas had annexed San Diego?
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Old 05-18-2012, 08:19   #8
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''Facts? We don't need no stinking facts''

Q: Did border patrol recently discover a large cache of guns on the Arizona border?

A: No. A chain e-mail making that claim shows pictures of a seizure by the Mexican Army about 70 miles south of the Texas border.
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Look what they found on the Arizona border!

Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 1:37 PM

Janet Napolitano is in so over her head! She’s incompetent, like the rest of that group!

Well, Janet Napolitano must have been looking the other way when she said we don’t have a big problem on the Arizona Border. What was she thinking?? Remember these are only the ones they found. It’s time for all of us to put the pressure on all our elected officials to stop this vote pursuing ignorance of a huge problem.

WELL, I GUESS WE DID NOT HEAR THIS ON THE NEWS?

Why we MUST support our friends in ARIZONA. This seizure was five days ago. Located on the Arizona border! Exactly where did you hear about it in OUR media ?????
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[and it goes on like that, along with a bunch of photos of paramilitary equipment seized in Mexico, not Arizona]
FactCheck.org : Guns Found South of the Border

This contrivance has been widely circulated via email and right wing blogs (e.g., What On Earth?: Look What Arizona Found ).

Just another example of some wingnut fraudster spewing lies to try to prove a point.
Instead it indicates a lack of real factual evidence for the point the faker was attempting to make, the lack of integrity on the part of said faker, and the gullible ignorance of those who try to pass this kind of garbage off as real.

This fraud contains such affronts to truth as,
More than 60 grenades of varying size were found, Arabic writing was found on them.
The whole thing is a series of lies.

Look at the "outrage" that the "news" was not reported. Well no duh. Here's the actual report:
LiveLeak.com - Weapons Cache Confiscated by Mexican Police

On this forum and elsewhere, many wingnuts prove day after day that they have no regard for truth. They lack integrity. An agenda that can only be advanced through lying propaganda, and that relies on the ignorance of its followers, is an evil agenda.
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Just another example of some wingnut fraudster spewing lies to try to prove a point.
Instead it indicates a lack of real factual evidence for the point the faker was attempting to make, the lack of integrity on the part of said faker, and the gullible ignorance of those who try to pass this kind of garbage off as real.
OK, point taken but, isn't that exactly what the US Government was trying to do with Fast and Furious from the beginning? Perpetrate a fraud on the people in order to help "prove" their non existent point about the illegal sale of guns by US gun dealers to the mexican cartels?
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mexico is a crime ridden hell hole that receives billions in stolen tax payer money every year. There should have been a fence up to keep those scum out of this once great country. As we see their populations grow here we also see our country falling further into a deep hole.
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OK, point taken but, isn't that exactly what the US Government was trying to do with Fast and Furious from the beginning? Perpetrate a fraud on the people in order to help "prove" their non existent point about the illegal sale of guns by US gun dealers to the mexican cartels?
That's a stretch.

First of all, you're trying to compare a pernicious habit among a large section of the right wing public with a specific government operation. No light on either can be shed by that.

Second, in the case of the former, we can easily disprove the false claims, while as you know, trying to get to the bottom of F&F is proving to be a daunting challenge.

Third, while I agree there appears to be, if not a coverup, an unwillingness to be entirely forthcoming on the part of A.G. Holder and some others within the government re. the facts of F&F, there is no evidence so far that F&F was intended "from the beginning" or, for that matter, at any point, to be what right wing conspiracists claim, which is an operation with the deliberate goal of failure in its stated aims to accomplish a surreptitious and sinister aim.

Occam's razor still applies. It appears to me F&F got away from them due to bureaucratic incompetence, turf squabbles and/or hubris, and now those who screwed up and may be even guilty are trying to cover their asses. But -- I don't dispute there are other possibilities. We do not know.

We do know, however, that, whether intentionally or through ignorance and lack of interest in evidence and reason, there is a habit among many right wingers in particular today to spread outright falsehoods. Completely different situation from F&F.

One more thing about the F&F investigation. A.G. Holder is right to be entirely suspicious of the motives of Republicans. They're far more interested in making Holder and the Obama administration look bad to the public than they are finding out and publicizing the whole truth of what happened. Remember that those sorts of operations have been going on for a long time, under Republican administrations as well as Democratic.

Different type of operation but same agency, same principle at work: Clinton and Democrats are, to this day, condemned by many for Ruby Ridge. Do you know when that actually happened? And, do you know that the raid on the Branch Davidians was conceived before Clinton ever took office? Clinton and Reno et al must rightfully be blamed for the final assault, but the lack of accountability and authoritarianism was already long part of the culture of the responsible agencies, and they got that from Republicans.
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First of all, you're trying to compare a pernicious habit among a large section of the right wing public with a specific government operation. No light on either can be shed by that.
If you are honestly saying that the left isn't just as guilty of this sort of thing then you are delusional.
Third, while I agree there appears to be, if not a coverup, an unwillingness to be entirely forthcoming on the part of A.G. Holder and some others within the government re. the facts of F&F, there is no evidence so far that F&F was intended "from the beginning" or, for that matter, at any point, to be what right wing conspiracists claim, which is an operation with the deliberate goal of failure in its stated aims to accomplish a surreptitious and sinister aim.
Given the left's position on gun ownership and the 2nd amendment and all the claims prior to this that most of the weapons being used by the cartels were coming from US gun dealers, it is not too much of a stretch for me to believe that was exactly the intention of F&F. Chances are we will never really know for sure what the intent was. We all can see what the results were.
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