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Old 03-23-2018, 18:36   #1
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How the gun grabbers built momentum....

Okay guys, here is the best read I've seen on why we're losing the gun control fight right now: The NRA just got their asses handed to them... - Gunmart Blog

There is nothing in there, literally nothing that comes as a surprise to me. But everything I had been surmising is now confirmed by the enemy themselves.

Basically, post Sandy-Hook the bad guys developed a kind of PR blitzkrieg strategy. Its laid out in detail in that article, but the upshot is that the NRA got rolled by being over-confident. Good guys gotta seriously analyze the enemy tactics or we'll keep getting rolled since right now the grabbers have built what is potentially overwhelming political momentum.

Personally I like the old Soviet Steamroller approach to dealing with Blitzkrieg. Let the other side use the cute dance moves and bury 'em in steel. Politically this means a scorched earth campaign where any RINO that has backed gun control gets primaried and voted out of office ASAP. Do the same to every democrat in a gun-friendly part of the country and keep it up even when you think you're winning. Never give up, never relent. And in the days following a media inspired mass shooting, put the blame on the media for their role in it and hold the politicians' feet to the fire more than ever.

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Let them build momentum; it may well be exactly the prod American Firearms Owners need to go on the offensive, instead of sitting back being defensive and losing more rights.
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Hating and lying about kids now. How low will the rightwing lie machine go?

More Americans are being exposed to the rightwing lie machine than ever before, and find it shocking and disgusting.



Rightwingers should be ashamed, but the consciences of too many of them are seared to insensible crisps and they know not what they do, and won't ever know. It will just be too late.
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Real or not. These kids put themselves out there. That shooting in Florida happened because people like David Hogg's father did nothing to prevent it. If law enforcement can't or won't protect you, who will? These children need to understand that the anti-gun agenda was advanced by people like their parents by allowing their fellow students to die through inaction. Where is the outrage at law enforcement?

Freesw, if David Hogg is going to call someone a " bitch" of the NRA, he shouldn't be surprised if someone says something in response. He is the "bitch" of the anti-gun lobby if anyone he disagrees with is the "bitch" of the NRA.
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Is it just me, or do that many Americans feel the need to be somebody else's bitch these days?

Sure are a lot of intellectual prostitutes out there these days who throw their brain any way the money flows!
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Nikola Cruz was a product of the Promise program just as Trayvon Martin was. I'm sure there are a whole lot of others that are too but are just not as well known as these 2 names. The school superintendents, school boards, NAACP, local politicians and the sheriff's and police departments are all complicit in this thing being implemented along with Obama's Dept of Education who set it up.

The Promise program is a socialist experiment to not penalize school kids for actual, prosecutable crimes they commit. It is incentivised by federal money and the fewer truant kids your school system has, the more money you get. It isn't that the program is preventing or reducing crime. They are simply not prosecuting the crime. This emboldens the criminal since they know there will be no consequences and they go on to commit more and better crimes. Finally, some of these budding criminals do something completely stupid and either get shot or kill somebody else and then go to prison.

https://www.browardprevention.org/behavior/promise/

"PROMISE is an intervention-based program designed to correct student behavior that violates Policy 5.8 and/or Policy 5006, Suspension and Expulsion. PROMISE utilizes a comprehensive set of supports and education. The intent of PROMISE is to safeguard the student from entering the judicial system.".

The year after Promise was instituted in Broward their juvenile school kid crime rate dropped by 60 percent. NO. They stopped prosecuting 60 percent of the crime.
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Yup, read that back when ol Trayvon got what was coming to him. He was a thief in school and had been caught with stolen jewelry, but of course they didn't turn him in because they didn't want to "taint his image".

Too bad, because the stupid liberals might have actually saved his life had they reported him. Instead of helping him curb his unlawful ways they enabled him to become the neighborhood thug which got him shot dead.

Way to go left; and you wonder why we don't listen to you.
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Under the misleadership of Wayne LaPierre, board members like Ted Nugent and spokespersons such as Dana Loesch, the NRA have already for years gone all in for hyper-partisan scorched earth politics.

Ever more shrill insulting mischaracterizations will persuade fewer and fewer people as time goes on. The country is always changing. By betting everything on rightwing extremism, the NRA themselves have dealt the 2nd amendment a severe blow.

Today’s protests aren’t spontaneous. Gun-hating billionaires and Hollywood elites are manipulating and exploiting children as part of their plan to DESTROY the Second Amendment and strip us of our right to defend ourselves and our loved ones.
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As an analogy, ask yourself this, do successful corporations go all in for one political party at the expense of the other, to the point even of doing everything possible to antagonize the entire base of that other party, plus more than a few of the party they do support?

Is that a strategy built to last?
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Nikola Cruz was a product of the Promise program just as Trayvon Martin was. I'm sure there are a whole lot of others that are too but are just not as well known as these 2 names. The school superintendents, school boards, NAACP, local politicians and the sheriff's and police departments are all complicit in this thing being implemented along with Obama's Dept of Education who set it up.

The Promise program is a socialist experiment to not penalize school kids for actual, prosecutable crimes they commit. It is incentivised by federal money and the fewer truant kids your school system has, the more money you get. It isn't that the program is preventing or reducing crime. They are simply not prosecuting the crime. This emboldens the criminal since they know there will be no consequences and they go on to commit more and better crimes. Finally, some of these budding criminals do something completely stupid and either get shot or kill somebody else and then go to prison.

https://www.browardprevention.org/behavior/promise/

"PROMISE is an intervention-based program designed to correct student behavior that violates Policy 5.8 and/or Policy 5006, Suspension and Expulsion. PROMISE utilizes a comprehensive set of supports and education. The intent of PROMISE is to safeguard the student from entering the judicial system.".

The year after Promise was instituted in Broward their juvenile school kid crime rate dropped by 60 percent. NO. They stopped prosecuting 60 percent of the crime.
Yup. Less reported crime equals more money for the schools and looks better on the police department.

Blaming the rifle and the NRA is preposterous. The left is responsible for this. While they do their blood dance, no one even notices that the blood is on their hands.
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Uh wouldn't be caught dead wearing the flag of a communist country INSTEAD of the US flag and that is regardless where my father came from. My parents were born in America but my grand parents and my heritage is from Germany. Wouldn't be caught dead wearing any German flags either.

Seems a bit ironic to wear the badge of a communist country that disarmed their citizens then lined them up against his firing squad walls and murdered them by the thousands when you live in America and have all the freedoms and advantages you have here.

According to REPORTS, the saturday deal was totally astroturfed and particularly by Bloombergs every town for gun safety. The other usual gun grabber suspects are also behind it like the Brady Campaign, and Giffords, organizers from the Women's March, Planned Parenthood, and Move On. The kids are all just being used as useful idiots in this thing. We know that they are because kids that don't agree with "they party line" are being censored and not given a voice. Even a kid who wants to speak out and whose sister died in the attack is being censored. The real organizers of saturday have now birthed yet another gun grabbing lobby group and have the money to run it.

MTV along with MTV "stars" put up enough money to bus 17 bus loads of people in. The New England Patriots had their own private team jet go down to Florida and gather up a bunch of the Parkland people and flew them to DC. That jet is beyond first class. Several Hollywood slime donated amounts in the 500K range to support the march. I couldn't find how much money they actually collected but it is obviously into the millions. I have no doubt whatsoever that Soros money has flooded in. They(the real operators, not the kids) are operating with dark money since they filed for a 501 C4 a couple weeks before the event once the money started to come in.

Some media are still reporting the grossly exaggerated number of almost a million people showed up but more realistic reports are saying a bit over 200,000. Why lie about it? 200,000 is respectable, well except that money was fed to places all over the country to fund people going to the thing.
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Some butt hurting or shall I say gay pride butthurting TROLLING
dip**** came back on here still doesn't know what he is talking about!
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These people need a history lesson on the roots of gun control in America and not from a Marxist anti-NRA troll.
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Ever since rightwing extremists hijacked the NRA, the NRA no longer really represent gun owners or our interests.

Dana Loesch explains why the NRA didn't defend Philando Castile

Philando Castile's mom slams NRA chief LaPierre as a hypocrite - NY Daily News

No matter what you choose to imagine, the echo chamber that remains after you expel everyone else is not representative.
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Yep, saw that picture and spotted that flag right off, read later about the controversy it generated. Says it all right there, she may not be a hardcore commie but she's definitely a useful idiot. Safe bet everything displayed on her jacket is associated with some left wing loon cause.

Probably wearing a Che t-shirt under that and walks around quoting Mao, which would have made her a perfect staffer for the last administration.
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Hating and lying about kids now. How low will the rightwing lie machine go?

More Americans are being exposed to the rightwing lie machine than ever before, and find it shocking and disgusting.



Rightwingers should be ashamed, but the consciences of too many of them are seared to insensible crisps and they know not what they do, and won't ever know. It will just be too late.
I still do not know who is paying you to post anti gun rhetoric in a pro gun forum. You need to leave and go back into your mommas basement
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The truth is not anti-gun rhetoric.

If your beliefs depend on lies, you should re-examine your beliefs.

I note also that you have posted pro-klan propaganda here in the past, so "consider the source."
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Your opinion is not the truth. It's just your opinion. That is the truth.
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Fake memes and NRATV are not my opinion.

"I did an interview about black gun ownership in this era. That interview was used a week later by NRATV to disparage a very noble campaign that I actually support," the rapper, whose real name is Michael Render, said in videos posted to Twitter on Sunday night.

He said the segment shouldn't have been presented "in contrast" to the demonstration, which was organized by students around the country, including survivors of the recent mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.

"I'm sorry, guys. I'm sorry that an interview I did about a minority, black people in this country, and gun rights, was used as a weapon against you guys," continued Killer Mike, who is one half of the rap duo Run the Jewels. "To the young people that worked tirelessly to organize, I'm sorry adults chose to do this, I'm sorry NRATV did that, I'm sorry that adults on the left and the right are choosing to use me as a lightning rod."
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Every year, the biggest names in Republican politics flock to the Conservative Political Action Conference at the Gaylord Hotel in Oxon Hill, Maryland, to boost their platforms, meet fans and sell their own brands of conservatism.

It’s the one time of the year where pro-life videos attacking “George Soros and his army of death worshippers” end with rapper Lil Jon’s “Turn Down For What;” where Sean Hannity chucks footballs into a near-empty audience before diving into monologues laced with deep-state conspiracy theories; where a morning spent marinating in French nationalism segues into afternoon daydrinking alongside President Donald Trump’s former advisor Roger Stone.

Children were interviewed on NRA TV days after a mass school shooting, “private security contractors” were lauded rather than American military forces and ousted Trump advisor Sebastian Gorka threatened reporters with physical assault.

These were not confined incidents, but simultaneous narratives showcasing a Republican Party in freefall, suffering an identity crisis worse than Shia LaBeouf’s public meltdown.

Although nationalism was the unifier—sponsored by behemoth corporations like the NRA and Google, promoted by shell nonprofits like Turning Point USA—some shades were whiter than others as “New Right” internet celebrities exchanged words with white supremacists, their racial controversy infecting CPAC’s centerstage.
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GOP infighting continued on Saturday as National Review columnist Mona Charen rebuked the Republican Party for enabling sexual predators, with heavy criticisms directed toward the president and disgraced former Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore.

“I’m disappointed in people on our side for being hypocrites about sexual harassers and abusers of women who are in our party, who are sitting in the White House, who brag about their extra-marital affairs, who brag about mistreating women,” said Charen on CPAC’s main stage, sparking fury from the audience. “The Republican Party endorsed Roy Moore for the Senate in the state of Alabama, even though he was a credibly accused child molester… You cannot claim that you stand for women and put up with that.”

POLITICO reported that Charen was escorted off the premises by three security guards.
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White Supremacists and NRA TV: Inside CPAC’s Dangerous Tent of Corporate Nationalism | Observer
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Casting your pearls before swine gentlemen, update the iggie list and never look back.

There are two birds that live in the deserts of North America. They both live in the same harsh environment, but their reactions are very different. One bird is the vulture, and the other is the hummingbird. The vulture devours the decomposing meat that he finds on the desert floor, and he flourishes on that diet. The hummingbird, on the other hand, never seems to notice the stench of rotting flesh. He looks for the beautiful blossoms that dot the cactus plants growing out of the parched sand. Both birds seem to find what they are looking for.
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Preferring the reassuring lie to the sometimes difficult task of ascertaining the truth, Momo admits once again that his beliefs do not hold up to the scrutiny of evidence and reason.

Artificial reality is comforting to some, but only while it lasts. Hanging onto false certainties has consequences.
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LITTLE HOGGS: #MarchForOurLives Student Protesters Leave Their Trash for Someone Else to Clean Up
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