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Old 01-22-2017, 23:56   #26
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Get a Mossberg 464 and don' t look back. A nice rifle for under $500. Better than the new remlin's, and about $300 less than the new Henry's (Although, the henry is worth every penny, because of its excellent fit, finish and top end quality) The Mossberg's and Henry's are both 100% made in the USA. The brand new Winchesters are made in Japan, and over $1,000 ea. Pass on those
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Old 12-08-2017, 04:33   #27
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Recenty added another lever action. A Henry 45-70. This is my 4th Henry and I've been pleased with each of them.
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Old 12-08-2017, 22:21   #28
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You don't state whether you want to install a scope. If that is the plan,
or you want it as an option, you need a Marlin 336C, or something
similar. They eject from the side, a top ejector makes mounting a
scope a problem.
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Old 12-09-2017, 05:30   #29
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I have 2 Ubertis in 45 Colt, a 24" 1873 Special Sporting rifle and 19" 1866 Yellowboy carbine and while they are beautiful, their actions are patterned after the originals and use a relatively weak toggle link design which is best suited for standard pressure loads up to 14,000psi (what they were designed for).

I also have 2 Rossis in 357mag, a 24", case hardened receiver'd rifle and a 20" blued receiver carbine. The Winchester 1892 action that they faithfully use is so strong that they are chambered in 454 Casull, a 60,000psi magnum cartridge. As the 357mag's SAAMI spec is 35,000psi, it is a piece of cake for the Rossi.

The Rossi is patterned after the 1892 so it has both a side loading gate and a 1/2 cock safety without a rebounding hammer. Bud's Guns sells them for about $500 HERE.

Further, Steve's Guns sells an action kit for $58 which includes a DvD which walks you through tuning the action and trigger to make your Rossi slick as snot. I've done 3 of them and it's easy as heck as well as teaching you how to take your Rossi apart so you can clean it well every so often.

He also sells a safety replacement button so you can remove the stupid bolt top safety that Rossi's lawyers made them add a few years ago.

You can get a Winchester marked 1892 carbine, however, it's made by the Japanese, not Americans and it will set you back close to 3 times what the Rossi will.
I'm starting to think that Steve and I might be brothers - our tastes in firearms are very similar.

I also have a pair of 20" and 24" Rossi 92s, but it's my 20" Rossi that is color case hardened and it's also a rifle pattern.



They both also have the Steve's gun internal spring mods and polish treatment including a new ejector spring and a stainless steel magazine plug.

I put a Marbles Standard Tang sight, Merit #4 adjustable aperture and a Lyman 17AHB front sight on both of mine. They'll both shoot between 2 and 2.5 MOA at 100 yards Federal American Eagle/Champion 158gr JSPs and hand loaded 125 gr XTPs. The velocity with the 158s is 1820 fps and with 125s it's 2170 fps.


Rosso has actually be making the Model 92 in .357 Mag and .44 Mag longer than any one else, including Winchester and the design is well evolved.

The finish on the exterior metal work is excellent a good cleaning and a bit of polish will slick up the internals. Even if the only thing you do is replace the heavy ejector spring it will be a very slick functioning rifle or carbine. The finish on the wood took a nose dive for a few years but has since improved, but with a few coats of tung oil it will look great.

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I also have an Armi Sport / Chiappa Model 92. It is a much more faithful copy of the Model 92, and I keep planning on pulling out my Winchester book and compare features to find out exactly when the rifle they copied was made. Workmanship is excellent on both metal and wood is excellent and they are incredibly slick functioning right out of the box. But they'll cost you around $1000, and a bit more for the take down model.

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Old 12-11-2017, 01:27   #30
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Originally Posted by Lone Gunman View Post
No there's no way to get your computer-originated draft back; but,

'Welcome to the club, anyway!'

What I do is copy to the clipboard (either on an iMac, or PC) every couple of minutes while I'm composing. Then when a website suddenly goes kerflooey on me, I simply reopen the webpage again, hit paste, and continue!

(Drives the government thought-control censors crazy!)
Ha too funny... yeah I usually write in notepad then copy and past to the thread, but sometimes I forget and start typing.

I'm a big Rossi M92 fan. I haven't done any mods or anything, but it just shoots well right out of the box. I was lucky to get one about 1994 before they started putting the button safety on, but too late to get the nifty saddle ring.

I'll get around to doing some of the mods mentioned in this thread and elsewhere. As it is now I easily get 2.5 to 3-inch groups at 100 yards with the iron sights using 140gr CCI Lawman 357 mag rounds.

Unfortunately 140gr 357 mag rounds are getting hard to find. Back when I first got the Rossi, inexpensive 140gr semi-jacketed soft points and hollow points were as common as 158 and 125 grain. Not sure why everyone discontinued that round. I'm looking at trying the Fiocchi 142 Grain Full Metal Jacket Truncated Cone rounds in the near future. That bullet weight seems to be the magic number in my 20-inch barrel Model 92.

125 and 158 grain are ok, but I don't get the tight groups as with the 140gr. And 110gr is a no go. those things come out of the 20-inch barrel blazing fast, but groups, if you can call them that, are all over the place.

I may go with an XS sight Systems rear peep sight on the receiver, which will extend my sight radius considerably and give me a much better rear sight. If I go with the threaded ghost ring I can experiment with different diameter screw-in apertures. I did that recently on my Ruger Mini-30 and it's my favorite rear sight so far... one of the best investments I've ever made for a rear sight.

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Old 12-11-2017, 01:44   #31
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I would look at Marlin in .357 if you want to spend the coin. That said I have a Rossie in .357 that is quite accurate and very soft shooting. I have an old one that did not have the crappy safety. I lucked out and got it for $150 at local Pawn Shop I am on good terms with.
I had a Marlin in 357 back in high school, early 1980s. Nice lever gun. That's one gun I wish I hadn't sold, but I was always torn between my two favorite pastimes... shooting and drag racing. I think I sold that so I could buy some side pipes for my Mustang Mach I. It was the fastest car in town. Never lost a race. That Marlin 18-inch barrel m94 was a sweet shooter though.
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Old 12-11-2017, 07:47   #32
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I have four lever guns. Three in 45 Colt. The Rossi got an XS sight added. Placed the rear site just in front of the locking lugs. The safety was replaced with a plug. Same with the Rear site. New springs throughout and lots of polish. Matt finished applied to unpimp the SS finish.

The 1894 Marlin got a saddle ring to replace the safety and a metal follower.

The 1873 is bone stock. If it ain't broke . . .

The 1895G also got saddle ring to replace the safety and a metal follower. It has a thumb screw to replace the lever screw and a 4X Shotgun scope.

I shoot a lot of 45 Colt.
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Old 02-10-2018, 23:53   #33
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Originally Posted by Danoobie View Post
You don't state whether you want to install a scope. If that is the plan,
or you want it as an option, you need a Marlin 336C, or something
similar. They eject from the side, a top ejector makes mounting a
scope a problem.
Marlin recently started making the 336C in 357 Magnum again.
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Old 02-11-2018, 03:03   #34
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The Henry shoots awesome but I don't like the tube fed rifles, even though I do have a Henry in .22 lr. My vote is for the Marlin 1894 .357 magnum, preferably with a JM stamped barrel. But they say the newer Remlins have better qc now as well.
My Marlin 1894 and my 336 are very good shooters and provided me with plenty of deer meat this last deer season.
I do want to add a Marlin 44 Magnum to my collection.
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Originally Posted by Danoobie View Post
Marlin recently started making the 336C in 357 Magnum again.
You meant 1894 model series! With 4 different 357mag offering it should super fun and wait....
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Old 02-18-2018, 06:05   #36
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The quality of my new 1894 is pretty good. Wood to metal fit is as good as my older Marlin 1894 (2003 Model).
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Old 02-19-2018, 03:50   #37
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Only thing I didn't like with new 94 in 45 Colt was the trigger. It stinks but wildWest Guns has the cure for it though. I am waiting on the 1895CB 26" to come back in stock to purchase now.
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Old 02-19-2018, 17:59   #38
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The trigger on my 1894 breaks nicely, but is very heavy. Could use some work.
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Old 02-20-2018, 17:21   #39
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My Big Boy Henry 44mag is a fantastic rifle and I dont mind the weight because one, when you start popping off full power rounds you will appreciate the weight and two, Im a big, strong, grown ass man. I love the top loading mag tube because its just like the original and Ive had a couple of Winchesters that were a pain in the arse to load for whatever reason.

My other issue is that Ive had a Henry 22lr for close to 20yrs. Its a much better built rifle than people seem to give it credit for. It has a metal cover over its all metal parts. So What. Its easy to clean, its accurate as hell, and I dont know about you guys but mine is as nice as the day it was bought, almost. I personally will be passing mine down to one of my kids or grandkids one day. Hopefully not soon.

Plenty of cheap plastic crappy 22's to stay away from out there but Henry isnt one of them.
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Henry to me feel very uneasy by being overly heavy and weird loading tube so I will take a Marlin 94/95 and Winchester 92 any day anytime since they feel real.
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Old 02-21-2018, 04:28   #41
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My dad has a Henry. 45 Colt loads that fit and cycle in both my Marlin, Rossi, and 1873 are too long to feed in his Henry. While not a huge problem, makes it different. I like the side feeding better than the tube feed. Its a nice rifle, thats for sure. I am the only one that has ever shot it. It was sighted in well out of the box.
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Old 07-23-2018, 22:52   #42
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Get a Rossi 92, then put a Steve's Guns peep sight in place of the bolt safety. It gets rid of the stupid safety, and you get a better sight picture that the buckhorn sights.

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Old 08-21-2018, 20:13   #43
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You could look at Chiappa 1892 .357 Mag.
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Old 08-22-2018, 07:23   #44
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Of the choices being discussed, I wouldn't even seriously consider anything other than the Miroku/Winchester 1892.

A repro of a true classic,and even better made than the originals. Pricey, but you get what you pay for.
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