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Old 08-06-2020, 11:49   #26
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Originally Posted by Durango Ranger View Post
RPop, If you plan to reload straight wall handgun brass and want to turn out volumes of quality ammo order the Dillon Square Deal progressive press. I have 7 presses set up. The Little Dillon is dedicated to the .45 ACP.
It will turn out 350 rounds per hour or more if some one will fill the primer tubes as you load. In my case I can load .45 Win Mags and .45 AR or .45 ACP by only changing the shell holders and adjusting the seater. You also get the best warranty on your Dillon that anyone offers.
I too recommend the Dillon Square Deal. I have two of them. I would only recommend Dillon presses.
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Old 08-07-2020, 10:56   #27
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You are the one whining about the thread being old, not me. When asked what your point was, whining about the old post, you said you had no point. OK, so you are pointless, I should have known.
hey arse whole not sure what your firggen issue is i just pointed out the thread was 5 years old.now you want to be a shiet head about it.just what is your problem little man.half the folks who posted in the 5 year old thread are banned or not with us any more just saying.get a life and stay out of mine!
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Old 08-17-2020, 03:04   #28
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Over at Pew Pew Tactical they recommend the Dillon Square Deal as the best for beginners loading handgun cartridges. Then the Hornady Lock'n'Load, then Dillon 550.

Well let's look at Lee vs. Dillon.

First let's go to the Lee website and look at the cost of the stripped Lee Load (of something alright!) Master press. The Lee web site lists a MSRP of $260 for the LM. 2 year warranty (but since they don't honor it, it really doesn't matter what it is). I mean every other reloading press maker (RCBS, Lyman, Forster, Hornady, Dillon, Redding, etc, etc., etc.) has a LIFE TIME warranty (as I said, Lee has a two year warranty they don't honor anyway, so it really doesn't matter what it is), well I guess they all know what they make, and the quality, so they warranty according to what they make/think it is worth.

The Dillon site lists the basic 550 at $300. WOW! A whopping $40 difference! For $40 more dollars you get Dillon quality, the Dillon LIFE TIME warranty, no matter who bought it first, who owns it now, how old it is, if it was in a house fire, Dillon stands behind it! For $40 more dollars you get a press that loads 250 rds/hr easily, instead of "100 rds/hour and half"!

OK, but what about the complete set up? Bet the cheap (oops! meant to say "inexpensive", or maybe I was right the first time!) Lee Load (of something) Master press complete set up is much less than the Dillon! Well let's see! The MSRP is $400, same useless "warranty", same low quality press. Well what is the Dillon complete set up?

The Dillon 550C (complete) set up is...MSRP... $457! WOW! For a mere $57 more you get a LIFE TIME warranty they DO stand behind, no matter if it is 20 years old, if you bought it used, if it went through a house fire, they cover it! For LIFE! No "50% of MSRP", no "2 years ONLY (and we will ignore that anyway)" so called "warranty", Dillon LIFE TIME warranty! 250rds/hour instead of "100rds/hour and half", which is MUCH faster than the Lee LM I had (actually still have, to remind myself that cheap junk is cheap junk no matter how "cheap" is is).

The Lee "warranty" after TWO years (which they won't honor anyway in my experience) is 50% of MSRP, and they MIGHT repair/replace what ever it is. Or not.

So all that "I can't afford a Dillon" guff is about a mere FIFTY DOLLARS for the stripped press and FIFTY SEVEN DOLLARS for the complete set up! FIFTY SEVEN DOLLARS! Oh Lee is sooooo much cheaper then Dillon! "I can't afford" $57 for a LIFE TIME warranty! I "can't afford" $57 to buy a press that ACTUALLY WORKS! I "can't afford" $57 to get a press that will turn out 250-300 rds of .45 ACP in an hour, instead of "100 rds of .45 ACP in an hour and a half" (according to the Lee fan on another site. My Lee Load of something Master never worked that well, if I got 50 rds in an hour and a half I was both horrified and delighted at the same time)!

The "wack a mole" loaders are the Lee Loader (Classic Loader) that you put over the cartridge case, then set it on the base and beat the die down over the case with hammer (neck size only). Then you use a rod to knock the primer out, set a primer in the base, tap the case down over the primer, knock the case out of the die, use a dipper to measure the powder, dump it in and then use the die to seat the bullet. Sssslllooowww, but can turn out world class ammo. Yeah, I used one for a while "until I could afford" something better. I hear all these people who claim that they crank out 60 finished rds an hour using one, but like a working Lee Load Master, it never, ever, seems to happen in front of witnesses, only in highly secret and private places were cameras and honest people are not allowed. They also cost as much as a set of Lee dies (which are the best bang for the buck!), so I don't see any great advantage to them.

The other thing recommended for "cheap reloading" is the Lyman Tong Tool. They are, currently, $80 (aluminum, not steel) and the dies were another $35 or so, although I didn't check the current price today. Neck size only. Yes it can be done, yes they work, yes they are slow, yes you will have arms like Popeye if you use them much.

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Old 08-18-2020, 00:57   #29
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OK guys........lets pull together instead of snarling at each other like wolves here.

to everyone's shock i'm sure, I have used a Lee single stage press to reload enough handgun ammo to fill 2 x 55 gallon barrels ( I store in sealed metal 5 gal cans).....several different calibers involved.

if I ever settle on a true " one does it all" rifle caliber...i'll go progressive.

for SHTF though, i've set my wife up with a .357/.38 rifle, revolver & a 1911 "just because".
my set is the same but .45LC....& 2 1911s "just because"

It took a LOT of time,
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I've loaded a metric ton of ammo on a Lee single stage, I now use a lyman single stage but only because it was a gift, Lee stuff gets the job done quite well.
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Rockys Pop said "to everyone's shock I'm sure...", OK, to mine at least any way! Hey, it could happen! And I DO NOT doubt Rockys Pop's word in any way here, so if you got your mini wee wee in a ringer, don't bother to whine at me about it. Heck, I drove a LONG, LONG way on a tire that was bald and had the belt showing (great traction in snow and ice I might add) for a long, long time, but I don't recommend that to anyone either. If it could happen, it probably has happened, doesn't mean it is recommended. Like playing the lottery. But if it works for you, great. Someone has to win the lottery, unlike the few 100's of millions who lost their money buying lottery tickets. Just because it has happened, doesn't mean it is likely, just possible.

I am always amazed (or should I say "shocked"?) that so much stuff works on the net that doesn't ever work for me, or where I, or anyone else, can actually see it. I AM NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T WORK FOR OTHER PEOPLE, just it doesn't where I, or someone else, can verify it with a video. I used to travel a fair bit setting up at gunshows and I would hear about this or that Lee LoadMaster that worked, usually on the net, but sometimes at the show, and when I asked about it, "come on over and see if you don't believe it!" They thought they were far enough away I'd never show up. So if I was close enough or passing through, I DID come over! NEVER saw one work! Hell, never saw one period! It was "packed away/ wife sick/ kids sick/ late for some thing/loaned to a friend/what ever". Once or twice would be possible, but there gets to the point where it's obvious they are "Delmers", loud mouthed idiots who don't have a clue and can't back anything up because they DON'T have a clue, and lie or throw tantrums to cover it up.

I have owned or used nearly everything that Lee makes, so I am not blowing smoke here, this is MY personal experience, YMMV, and am not being curt with anyone because I have a mini wee-wee getting stepped on. Having owned/used nearly everything Lee made has not made me an expert, with the possible exception of spotting junk, but it me a much greater grounding then the fools and trolls who are, well, fools and trolls, that attack their betters to make themselves seem less small.

OK, the Lee single stages have a well earned rep for breaking (I was going to say "regularly", but will go with "quite often" instead) quite often when resizing larger magnum rifle cases, say 7mm Rem Mag, .300 Win Mag, etc. Hell, Lee even admits that! If you have to ask where, you need to read what LEE puts out, THEY said it, I'm repeating it, you can look it up like I did. (I'm tired of holding someone's mini wee-wee and then having them piss on me for doing them a favor, or getting all huffy and puffy about a five year old thread being revived, whining about it, and getting all pissy when they can't respond intelligently to a simple question. If you can't handle it, either stop reading my posts, or don't poke your betters, and then whine when they returned the favor, and you can't handle it. Either is fine with me. Yeah, tired of idiots who can't spell, or think either. Since that sort of behavior seems acceptable here, I will say I have a life, AND an education and others might try that too, should make a more pleasant time for all.) Every Lee I have ever seen/used has had the wooden ball handle, that Lee makes such a big deal of, fall off in the first few pulls of the handle. Not a big deal in and of it's self, but if they can't even glue a wooden ball on, what else are they cutting corners on?! For the rest of Lee's short comings, I would recommend going to the various Lee fan sites, they LIKE Lee and STILL expose every little flaw, problem, screw up, botched item, what is garbage, what sorta/kinda works and what is simply a POS far more throughly and in greater detail than I ever could, would, or bother doing.

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blah blah......yeah, OK....i'm a sham......I had every other night off for 5 years and didn't load but a couple boxes of ammo hat I promptly lost in an avalanche w/all my firearms and fixed blade knives.

wow, causing such ruckuses on multiple threads.... I must be a real troll too.....

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Well I certain never called you a sham, and never saw anyone else say so, all I did was just spoke of my experiences. No where was there anything that I said, and as far as I could tell, anyone else having said so, about you being a troll, but I also don't like disagreeing with people when they refer to themselves as they know more about the matter than I do. Sometimes thin skinned people are thin skinned for a reason and tell more than they mean to about themselves.
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Well I HAVE told the less intelligent to just quit reading my stuff if they can't handle the truth! Glad to see at least one of them took my advice!
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Legion: "I am always amazed (or should I say "shocked"?) that so much stuff works on the net that doesn't ever work for me, or where I, or anyone else, can actually see it. I AM NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T WORK FOR OTHER PEOPLE"

Could it be operator error?
I find this a lot expecting lower cost units to preform like premium units.
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I don't knw if it is operator error or not. I hear all this (well I was going to say crap, but think I'll use "hard to believe" so no one will get pissed) hard to believe stuff on the net, they swear (well so did that one loser, or I think he did/it was, but it was so badly spelled I was guessing at a lot of it) is true, but when I go to actually SEE it with my own eye, suddenly something in wrong and I can't. Over and over and over and over and over. You know, like a working Lee LoadMaster (even on the Lee fan sites they rarely never makes claims like that, mostly they say "usually works (until it breaks down again)", "general works (for a little while before jamming)", ''sometimes works (for a few rounds)", and the like.

Or the guy with the wack-a-mole Lee Loader who can crank out 60 rds an hour with one and the cartridges will chamber and fire in his gun, because he's not getting anywhere near my guns! I am not saying it can't happen, hasn't happened, whatever, what I am saying is I'd like to see it with my own eyes because I've seen all of those fail so often I "doubt it can happen", or at least in recorded human history because if it has, SOMEONE would have recorded it!
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