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Old 11-14-2008, 15:11   #1
 
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Luke AFB noise complaint.

Noise Complaint at Luke AFB, AZ


Luke AFB is west of Phoenix and is rapidly being surrounded by civilization
that complains about the noise from the base and its planes, forgetting
that it was there long before they were.

A certain lieutenant colonel at Luke AFB deserves a big pat on the back.

Apparently, an individual who lives somewhere near Luke AFB wrote the local
paper complaining about a group of F-16s that disturbed his/her day at the
mall. When that individual read the response from a Luke AFB officer, it
must have stung quite a bit.

The complaint: 'Question of the day for Luke Air Force Base: Whom do we
thank for the morning air show? Last Wednesday, at precisely 9:11 a.m, a
tight formation of four F-16 jets made a low pass over Arrowhead Mall,
continuing west over Bell Road at approximately 500 feet. Imagine our good
fortune! Do the Tom Cruise-wannabes feel we need this wake-up call, or were
they trying to impress the cashiers at Mervyns early bird special? Any
response would be appreciated.'


The response:


Regarding 'A wake-up call from Luke's jets' (Letters, Thursday):

On June 15, at precisely 9:12 a.m., a perfectly timed four-ship fly by of
F-16s from the 63rd Fighter Squadron at Luke Air Force Base flew over the
grave of Capt. Jeremy Fresques. Capt.
Fresques was an Air Force officer who was previously stationed at Luke Air
Force Base and was killed in Iraq on May 30, Memorial Day.

At 9 a.m.on June 15, his family and friends gathered at Sunland Memorial
Park in Sun City to mourn the loss of a husband, son and friend. Based on
the letter writer's recount of the fly by, and because of the jet noise,
I'm sure you didn't hear the 21-gun salute, the playing of taps, or my words
to the widow and parents of Capt. Fresques as I gave them their son's flag
on behalf of the President of the United States and all those veterans and
servicemen and women who understand the sacrifices they have endured.

A four-ship fly by is a display of respect the Air Force gives to those who
give their lives in defense of freedom. We are professional aviators and
take our jobs seriously, and on June 15 what the letter writer witnessed was
four officers lining up to pay their ultimate respects.

The letter writer asks, 'Whom do we thank for the morning air show?

The 56th Fighter Wing will make the call for you, and forward your thanks to
the widow and parents of Capt. Fresques, and thank them for you, for it was
in their honor that my pilots flew the most honorable formation of their
lives.

Only 2 defining forces have ever offered to die for you.....Jesus Christ and
the American Soldier. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.

Lt. Col. Grant L. Rosensteel, Jr. USAF
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Originally Posted by planeoldguy View Post
Noise Complaint at Luke AFB, AZ


Luke AFB is west of Phoenix and is rapidly being surrounded by civilization
that complains about the noise from the base and its planes, forgetting
that it was there long before they were.

A certain lieutenant colonel at Luke AFB deserves a big pat on the back.

Apparently, an individual who lives somewhere near Luke AFB wrote the local
paper complaining about a group of F-16s that disturbed his/her day at the
mall. When that individual read the response from a Luke AFB officer, it
must have stung quite a bit.

The complaint: 'Question of the day for Luke Air Force Base: Whom do we
thank for the morning air show? Last Wednesday, at precisely 9:11 a.m, a
tight formation of four F-16 jets made a low pass over Arrowhead Mall,
continuing west over Bell Road at approximately 500 feet. Imagine our good
fortune! Do the Tom Cruise-wannabes feel we need this wake-up call, or were
they trying to impress the cashiers at Mervyns early bird special? Any
response would be appreciated.'


The response:


Regarding 'A wake-up call from Luke's jets' (Letters, Thursday):

On June 15, at precisely 9:12 a.m., a perfectly timed four-ship fly by of
F-16s from the 63rd Fighter Squadron at Luke Air Force Base flew over the
grave of Capt. Jeremy Fresques. Capt.
Fresques was an Air Force officer who was previously stationed at Luke Air
Force Base and was killed in Iraq on May 30, Memorial Day.

At 9 a.m.on June 15, his family and friends gathered at Sunland Memorial
Park in Sun City to mourn the loss of a husband, son and friend. Based on
the letter writer's recount of the fly by, and because of the jet noise,
I'm sure you didn't hear the 21-gun salute, the playing of taps, or my words
to the widow and parents of Capt. Fresques as I gave them their son's flag
on behalf of the President of the United States and all those veterans and
servicemen and women who understand the sacrifices they have endured.

A four-ship fly by is a display of respect the Air Force gives to those who
give their lives in defense of freedom. We are professional aviators and
take our jobs seriously, and on June 15 what the letter writer witnessed was
four officers lining up to pay their ultimate respects.

The letter writer asks, 'Whom do we thank for the morning air show?

The 56th Fighter Wing will make the call for you, and forward your thanks to
the widow and parents of Capt. Fresques, and thank them for you, for it was
in their honor that my pilots flew the most honorable formation of their
lives.

Only 2 defining forces have ever offered to die for you.....Jesus Christ and
the American Soldier. One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.

Lt. Col. Grant L. Rosensteel, Jr. USAF
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F'n-A right, Colonel. Keep 'em flying...



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You all are aware that this is a typical fake internet story circulated amongst right wing circles and appeals to their identities, are you not?
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Originally Posted by AR15_Fanatic View Post
You all are aware that this is a typical fake internet story circulated amongst right wing circles and appeals to their identities, are you not?
You should probably check that out first: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/l/lukeafb.htm



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Originally Posted by markw76 View Post
You should probably check that out first: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/l/lukeafb.htm

Ahh, but look closely, there have been a few name changes, in particular the name of the USAF officer who wrote the letter is different as well as a different unit number at Luke, and nearly the entire letter has been rewritten. And the whole Jesus Christ American Soldier thing was BS (that BTW is a radio promo for a So Cal AM talk radio station). But at least they got the deceased officer's name right. So it was based on a true story but has been 'enhanced' through internet circulation.

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Well, up until last fall, I lived right near Dobbins ARB. Fighters and cargo planes flew over all day, and we had a mall right there, too.

TS to those who move to the area and then start to complain.
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That still doesn't make it
a typical fake internet story circulated amongst right wing circles (so it) appeals to their identities
It's been poorly rewritten and passed around losing some detail. The event still occurred as was related. As such, it cannot be dismissed so easily by left wing water carriers.



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Outstanding,......
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Well, in this case TAC!

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Most of my career in the AF I was living in the barracks then when I got married I lived in base housing. There was a housing area where I used to live affectionately called Afterburner Alley. By the time I left, I knew what type of jet was taking off without looking out my window. I had to use double-back tape on picture frames on the wall from constantly re-adjusting. I learned to live with it.

"Jet noise... the Sound of Freedom!"
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I grew up of AFB's. Almost every base struggled with these issues. Some of these bases and surrounding sprawl existed before some of our loudest planes. Elsworth AFB comes to mind here. A wing of B1B bombers doing touch and goes will rumble your world. After a few years it does'nt bother you anymore. Those of us that grew up on SAC bases understood why we had those planes. I find the noise comforting....
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I live just east of Portland Airbase, which is adjacent to PDX. The F-15As they have are normally pretty quiet taking off into an east wind, but lately they've been going full-out, and more often. Music to my ears. I sent a letter to the BC to the effect of "feel free to use this letter to negate any complaints."



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I'm also pretty skeptical when I read this sort of thing.

Rhut-ROH! Look what I found!

"True" according to Snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/wakeup.asp

Rick


Now... If anybody can explain to me WHY I have the urge to look these sorta things up...
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The letter has appeared several times on the net in various formats. In any case, the basic story seems to be true. I spent many years in military aviation, and stood many a watch as duty operations officer. I have no idea how many calls I received from "concerned citizens" complaining about the noise made by low-flying aircraft, but they were all duly recorded in the duty log. My standard response to these calls was, "GET A LIFE LADY (OR MISTER), IT'S CALLED THE SOUND OF FREEDOM!" And then I would slam the phone down. Got many an a$$-chewing and more than a few at-a-boys from various commanders, but that's they way I felt then, and it's the way I feel now.

Damn, I miss those days!!
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For all the folks complaining about the noise, the prime example would be NAS Oceana in Norfolk/Virginia Beach. They got a lot of complaints about jet noise. So, DoD, as part of BRAC, is closing it down. Do you know how many jobs are at Oceana? They're going bye-bye now. Serves the complainers right.
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Kinda on topic, noise complaints should be addressed by "who was there first." If you move in next to an airport, expect airplane noise. It was figured in to your home values. Train tracks = train noise. Golf course = stray balls and cursing.

We can't use sirens at night on our EVOC course because they built a subdivision near the track. Why do you need sirens in training, you ask? Because the siren ups the adrenaline of the rookie learning to drive like the police, ambulance driver, etc. It takes some acclimation to get the siren-adrenaline dump out of your system, so its an important part of training.

You hear about shooting ranges with the same problem. If the airport/range/golf course/sewage treatment plant was there first, STFU. No one made you buy a house near it.
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Now... If anybody can explain to me WHY I have the urge to look these sorta things up...
Have the same urge, but can't explain it. If you ever find a pill that'll cure it, PLEASE let me know (though I'm not sure I'd take the pill )

Kinda on topic, noise complaints should be addressed by "who was there first." If you move in next to an airport, expect airplane noise. It was figured in to your home values. Train tracks = train noise. Golf course = stray balls and cursing.
IIRC, in law school, they taught us about "approaching a nuisance." We studied cases about people locating next to stock yards and what not, then suing about the smell. Back then, the plaintiffs lost.

Nowadays, with all the abuse (IMHO) of eminent domain and tax incentives for new development, localities have effectively gutted that legal principle. A da*n shame.

Just after law school, I moved to Houston. A neat little neighborhood had a great little dive bar, a special comfort to me being from New Orleans. Reminded me of home. Well, "upscale" "townhomes" started getting built in the neighborhood, in large part because of the neighborhood's mystique, which was largely because of little dive bars like that.

Well, the place got run out. After the yuppies moved in, they suddenly discovered that the bar drew street parking and foot traffic. GASP!!! In any event, they got the street parking zone revoked, killing the bar.

At the time, I was disgusted but also surprised. Reading the story about the AFB and complaints about funeral flyovers, I guess I shouldn't have been surprised. Still disgusted, about that story and mine (although less so about mine).
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I live in close proximity to a large USAF base. They fly over my house all day.
I had visitors from out of state earlier this year.
The conversation was much like the scene in the Blues Brothers movie when they are in the shabby hotel with the train passing outside the window.
"How often do the planes fly over?"
"So often you won't notice"
The jets are background noise now.
As a USAF veteran and aviator I dig it. (I did not fly in USAF just private pilot)
Once a year it is really cool. The air show at the base.
Two years ago I was standing on my back patio drinking coffee in my robe when I heard a faint whistle behind me.
A second later six F18's of the Blue Angels blasted over my house at low altitude and scared the living crap out of me.
It was great.
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I'm old enough that I've been around for several rotations of aircraft type through here. T-33s, C-119s, C-130s, F-101s, F-4s, F-15s. We're slated to get some front-line stuff fairly soon I hear, maybe F-22s. Anyway, I pay attention and can generally tell what aircraft it is by the sound, maybe 80% of the time. So I'm a geek. I enjoy the weird looks I get from people...



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I'm old enough that I've been around for several rotations of aircraft type through here. T-33s, C-119s, C-130s, F-101s, F-4s, F-15s. We're slated to get some front-line stuff fairly soon I hear, maybe F-22s. Anyway, I pay attention and can generally tell what aircraft it is by the sound, maybe 80% of the time. So I'm a geek. I enjoy the weird looks I get from people...
Mark, my second career I was an engineer with Pratt & Whitney. I helped design the engines on the F-22. Enjoy the sound and the view - it's a beautiful aircraft.
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