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CXL 05-25-2009 08:22

Any DSA StG58 owners here?
 
Just put one on layaway and was wondering what kind of accuracy you guys have been getting. I'll be using handloads. I already know it's not a match rifle, just wondering what to expect.

Sarge45 06-05-2009 19:10

I have the SA-58 with premium cryo'ed barrel. They really aren't tack drivers but the DSA guns are excellent rifles none the less. I get about 3 " groups bagged and benched from 100.

squid8286 09-22-2009 04:21

The newer StGs have new US made barrels on them. I don't know how they stack up against the Austrian surplus barrels used in the past. The Austrian barrels were top-notch.

HILLBILLY7.62 10-11-2009 11:27

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Originally Posted by squid8286 (Post 572297)
The newer StGs have new US made barrels on them. I don't know how they stack up against the Austrian surplus barrels used in the past. The Austrian barrels were top-notch.

They don't - The Austrian (Steyr) barrels are unequaled by anything other than a high dollar custom turned barrel from a blank - I just bought a mint matching # STG kit & I've had a few DSA Type 2 receivers on order for months, can't wait to build it!

squid8286 10-17-2009 13:39

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Originally Posted by HILLBILLY7.62 (Post 576782)
They don't - The Austrian (Steyr) barrels are unequaled by anything other than a high dollar custom turned barrel from a blank - I just bought a mint matching # STG kit & I've had a few DSA Type 2 receivers on order for months, can't wait to build it!

I've found that the Austrian barrels are more accurate than I am. I believe what you say about comparing them to a custom barrel. I wouldn't trade an StG barrel for anything else, even if the Steyr barrel isn't brand new.

Jack2427 03-05-2010 17:08

I have 2 FALs. One is an STG 58 which is basicaly a Austrian parts gun built by DSA. The other is a DSA build with the medium contour barrel. The medium contour barrel is worth every extra penny you pay for it, it puts the rifle within reach of MOA territory. This barrel is distinctly superior to the Austrian barrels. The STG 58 is a battle rifle, the medium contour DSA is a precision rifle, albeit one with all of the FAL battle rugged features. I can get not quite MOA groups at 100 meters (1.1"), but then it gets better at 200, and holds MOA accuracy out to 300 meters, and excellent battle accuracy past that. With a DSA built FAL with either the medium contour or the heavy barrel you own the real estate out to an honest 800 meters. There are precision rifles that will do better of course, but outside of the FNAR or the odd M1A, not one of them is a semi auto that can keep cranking rounds out till you run out of loaded mags.
My STG 58 is 1.7 MOA at 100 meters, and will hold close to that way out there, I have not fired it at more than 600, and probably will never have to(hopefully).
I have not had experience with FALs outside of those 2 but I am told that Imbel is good also, and the grail of the FALs is the FN build rifle, although I do not see how one could do much better than the DSA rifles.
Of course if you want a precision FAL you give up the flash suppression and the other mil type stuff hanging off the barrel end.

McKraut 04-10-2010 05:50

I have a DSA Steyr barrel FAL, and I have noticed that if I shoot handloads in it that are 168gr it shoots the best. The production 168gr rounds do ok but your regular surplus stuff and Winchester Walmart rounds are pitiful. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1135130065

Nobody 04-13-2010 21:09

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Originally Posted by CXL (Post 542257)
Just put one on layaway and was wondering what kind of accuracy you guys have been getting. I'll be using handloads. I already know it's not a match rifle, just wondering what to expect.

An SA58 can be a match rifle if you configure it with a free-floated, heavy match barrel and either have a trigger job performed or have a "set" or "speed trigger" installed; DS Arms does both and I highly recommend choosing one or the other. Mine is an Israeli FAL with a heavy Badger match barrel and consistently shoots under 1 MOA, and sometimes 0.5 MOA, when I use Black Hills match ammo. Note: I use match-grade iron sights, as well. The rifle is all blackened stainless steel and weighs 14 lbs. empty.

PS: I also added a magpul PRS2 adjustable stock. And yes, this rifle cost over $3000, but I REALLY wanted one for high power competition.

Jack2427 04-14-2010 15:11

The medium contour barrel I mentioned above from DSA is a match barrel and has no stuff hanging off the end , it does have ports machined into the barrel itself, but they do not degrade accuracy in any way. DSA offers 2 match type triggers one of which is a "set" trigger-which I do not like, the other is simply a much better trigger than usual for an FAL which I really like.

Kevin 08-01-2011 16:00

My SA58 is averaging about 1 - 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards with open sights.

Hopefully when I get a cope that group can get a little tighter

Sarge45 08-01-2011 16:47

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 668086)
My SA58 is averaging about 1 - 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards with open sights.

Hopefully when I get a cope that group can get a little tighter

You don't need a scope with that grouping. That's as good as many match rifles....with scopes.

Kevin 08-01-2011 16:58

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Originally Posted by Sarge45 (Post 668096)
You don't need a scope with that grouping. That's as good as many match rifles....with scopes.

Yea, but when your deer hunting, those sights fade away as the sun starts to go down.

I thought about getting some tritium sights, but for about the same price I can get a scope.

I will probably get something like a redfield 3-9x40 for deer season, and I was thinking about an eotech for the off season and hog hunting.

wonderdog451 08-03-2011 16:12

Just make sure you get a DSA scope mount and a decent set of scope rings, and you should be all set.

nyalaman 04-07-2015 16:28

Stg 58
 
I have a STG58 built by DSA. I use it open sighted only, and only out to 100y. Relatively accurate for open sights.Very Reliable and fun as hell to shoot, it will feed whatever I put into it. Many others and myself advise not using steel cased.

ARC 07-22-2017 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by CXL (Post 542257)
Just put one on layaway and was wondering what kind of accuracy you guys have been getting. I'll be using handloads. I already know it's not a match rifle, just wondering what to expect.

I have a all original except the required U.S. parts, new STG 58 built myself on a Gear Logo Imbel receiver.

It is extremely accurate! I can hit golf balls all day at 300 yards and put a 20 round mag in a pie plate at 800 yards using a 16 power scope.

Don't under estimate a good Fal rifle just because it is semi auto with a ridgid barrel.

A FAL will preform just as good as any high end bolt rifle.

If DSA built your rifle on a new barrel, you will be impressed with it's performance, ergonomics and handling. The FAL is the best .308 battle rifle out there.

Alamo_308 06-28-2020 09:46

200 yards
 
https://i483.photobucket.com/albums/...psjbvnblej.jpg
I wonder how it would do with heavier projectiles and/or handloads?

chill1955 06-29-2020 09:28

Nice grouping Alamo. I had a CAI Cetme, that was an MOA rifle but I let a friend talk me out of it with a fist full of cash. I loved getting it all dialed in and smoothing the trigger out. The roller trunion locking action has a great history. HK mount on that red dot?

Alamo_308 06-29-2020 20:46

HK mount?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chill1955 (Post 1638272)
Nice grouping Alamo. I had a CAI Cetme, that was an MOA rifle but I let a friend talk me out of it with a fist full of cash. I loved getting it all dialed in and smoothing the trigger out. The roller trunion locking action has a great history. HK mount on that red dot?

Thanks, chili.
Not an HK mount. It's a DSA receiver cover with integral picatinny rail.

chill1955 06-30-2020 07:22

Oh, they weld on a rail for you. Got a picture of your piece? Cool rifles.

Alamo_308 06-30-2020 08:30

Rail Attachment
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chill1955 (Post 1638482)
Oh, they weld on a rail for you. Got a picture of your piece? Cool rifles.

It actually appears bolted on. ...Maybe. I see machine screws/bolts attaching the cover (with integral rail) to the receiver.

https://i483.photobucket.com/albums/...ps202ea639.jpg

chill1955 07-04-2020 14:21

Dammit I wish I woulda kept mine. I just love the lines and the smooth thump of recoil. Yeah on the CETME and the HK have lugs in the receiver to mount the scope But too much clamping pressure on sheet metal can cause damage and rifle no workie. The guys would weld a rail on top. I did not possess such skills.
You have a beauty there brother, don't sell it!

RIBob 07-06-2020 11:59

Yes, I do. Might add that it is considerably modified from original.

Read the comments above concerning the DSA Medium weight barrel with some interest, as I have been considering this for a while.

The comments above concerning DSA scope mounts are valuable.

The DSA aluminum lower (bought a long time ago) has worked flawlessly, and shaves a solid pound of weight.

Falcon Arms trigger group spring kit is very nice, but only if your trigger group components are in good shape.

I found, through experimentation, that the greater the mass of the flash suppressor at the end of the OEM, full-length Austrian barrel, the tighter the groups. I use the Belgian combo device, but the long Stoll was just as good.


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