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Just out of curiousity, why do you pick such a bad name? Are you mad at God or something?

Just curious,
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Yeah, I was wondering the same thing myself. You seem like a straight forward type of person by your views and responses. But let's face it, satan is considered well, basically, evil. Whether a person is religious or not the worlds view of satan is the same, the bad guy. And this forum seems to be about the good guys and being responsible etc. Now this in nothing personal of course as I don't even know you but as long as Dave 3006 brought it up, well, I'm just curious too.
 

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The "SatanXXXX" designations are doled out sequentially as new residents of Hell are assigned. God had already assigned Satan0001 to Beelzebub. We refer to him simply as "Satan" out of respect for his preemminant position as THE Prince of Darkness.

The good news about Hell: It is a very dry heat.
 

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Oh boy. So MiniPearl, are you saying satan2655 is part of a satanic group that has given him his designated number as part of some kind of hierarchy or maybe some sort of order of brotherhood in a cult? And you speak of "we" as if you are part of those who "respect satan for his preeminent position as the prince of darkness"? Help Mr Bill Administrator! What is going on around here?
 

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First, there has to be more than 2655. Second, it is not so much a cult as it is a class of deserving victims that are destined for destruction. Third, it is not that he is respected. It is that he chose this for himself due to his hatred of what is good and righteous. Why would you want to identify with a loser in the battle of good and evil?

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Actually, nothing religious intended. It has just always been a screen name of mine since the first days of the chat rooms. Just stuck with me I guess.

I am actually an Agnostic and remain neutral as far as religion in general. I do not deny the existence of God nor the devil, but I also don't see the proof yet. As a scientist, I am one who needs to see it for himself. I cannot go based on faith. However, since this isn't a religion forum... It don't matter.

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(plus people have no trouble remembering it)
 

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That makes sense. I am an electrical engineer. I was like you. I was not convinced either way. I did know that, if I ever did believe, I would need proof. No blind leaps of faith for me. Then, I read a book called "Evidence that demands a verdict".

The point of the book was that the Old Testiment contains the proof we need to believe in Jesus Christ as our savior. It was finished approximately 400 years before Christ was born. We know that as a fact due to the fact that it was translated into Greek in aprox. 270 b.c. We also have manuscript copies due to the dead sea scrolls.

Throughout the Old Testiment, the birth, life, death and resurrection of the Messiah were specifically foretold as proof that God exists and that he has a plan for the World. Jesus Christ fullfilled all the prophesies as this proof. His message to us is simple, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me".

If you would like the specific details of the proof, just let me know. If you don't, that is your right. I will not post any more on this subject. Like you said, this is not a religious board.
 

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Speaking of evidence, there is an interesting dialogue written by John Perry (1978) that's been in and out of print for the last few years. It's called: "A Dialogue on Personal Identity and Immortality" and is sometimes available through Amazon.com. It was also made into a movie (although i don't remember the title/actors/tresses, but it's quite good and raises alot of different perspectives for those that may be interested.
 

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Not bad Dave 3006. Well said. Count me in. I know this in not a religious forum and frankly, those things drive me nuts. Everybody arguing trying to convince some other sap to believe their way and so on. If satan thinks his handle is cool thats his business. Catch you on the other side.
 

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:eek: :eek: Did anyone note that if you divide the 2 in front and add the result to the last two digits that you get 666. Does that ring your bell?

Dunno what this has to do with guns but it IS Christmas Eve. Merry Christmas to ALL. Would you give your only son so everyone else was off the hook?

Safe and Happy Holidays to All, Billc:) :)
 

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MiniPearl, you have me ROFL! What a bunch of charactures with characture!

Just joined this bunch (this is my first post) but I think it's going to be a lot of fun. This looks like a place where you don't have to worry about sharing your beliefs or your unbeliefs about God, Family, Country or Guns. Happy to be here. :)

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:) :) Those are all the things of value to any MAN, believes notwithstanding.

Never be ashamed of your light for it leads the way for someone!!! Keep your powder dry and be aware of the false prophet. Working on a "drop on "recoil device.

Billc

PS: When I give Thanks I say "Thank you for the things which are right in our lives and we beg your counsel for those which are not." We need all the help we can get..........
 

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Dave3006: The point of the book was that the Old Testiment contains the proof we need to believe in Jesus Christ as our savior. It was finished approximately 400 years before Christ was born. We know that as a fact due to the fact that it was translated into Greek in aprox. 270 b.c. We also have manuscript copies due to the dead sea scrolls.

Dave, that sounds facinating. Does the book address the issue of a self-fulfilling prophecy?
If we had a religious book prophecying that in September of 2003 the great religious leader named Joe Schmoe would be born in Brooklyn as a result of immaculate conception, there would probably be plenty of women changing their last name to Schmoe and queuing up for in-vitro fertilisation in January...

That's not to knock the Christianity or anything - it's just that one cannot justify the religious beliefs with logical arguments, especially where the acts of God are concerned. God's will is not subject to our earthly laws of nature or logic - including causality. According to the New Testament, the Holy J. Christ did not go around gatering followers through referring to old prophesies in legalistic disputes. He allegedely performed miracles and instilled faith in people all on his own.

Satan,
That kind of a screen name is surely fine in most chat rooms and forums.
But seing a name like that in an adult forum dedicated specifically to the ownership of a military rifle surely gives many people a pause.
I am not even talking about anti-gun activists who would use any opportunity to present us - the pro-2nd gun-owners - as irresponcible, childish gun-crazy wackos... mad:
I imagine many christians involuntarly cringe seing that name and cannot help making associations in their mind that you were not planning on.

Look, by just swapping two letters you could be Santa2655 - a name which is even more polittically incorrect in our society than Satan while much less conspicious in this setting. And any excessive jolliness in Santa's image should be amply compensated by a rifle hanging over the shoulder and a bag full of ammo. :D

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Voruzon, your premise that the prophesies could be self fullfilling could have merit if there were only a few. I kind of wondered the same thing at one time. However, Jesus fullfilled over 300. Many of them were beyond his control. Here are just some of the ones he could not control

The place of his birth
The exact date of his birth
Death by crucifixition
Dividing his garments at the cross
Cruxified between two thieves
Not one of his bones broken
Buried in a borrowed rich man's grave
Resurrection

If you are interested, there is a book called "Evidence that demands a verdict" by Josh McDowell. After reading this book 20 years ago, I accepted Jesus as my saviour because of the PROOF who is was. As an engineer, I would not believe without a reason.

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One last thing, he did refer to the Old Testiment repeatedly in his claims to be the messiah.

He said that he came to fullfill the law. He claimed to be "I am" which Moses spoke. They tried to stone him after this and said it was blasphemy. He said that the religious leaders searched the scriptures in vain for eternal life. However, the scriptures testified of him.

The reason for the miracles were to back up his claims and demonstrate God's love for people. The claims were the key.

He claimed - I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father but by Me.

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On the other hand I am not completely surprised either. One other point though. You mentioned self fulfilling prophecy. Many of the prophets often correlated to each others prophecy even though they were each of different times and locations. Secondly there is physical proof that many things of the Bible did exist. (Noah's Ark and various other items and locations that are mentioned in the Bible. Wailing wall in Jerusalem is a good example also) Last but not least, not exactly on the subject of proof, but where would we be without the Bible? The founding Fathers were of the majority (like 99%) born again Christians. Without this book then there is a possibility that the USA would not exist.
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I admit that I am not a believer but I certainly appreciate that it is the Christianity that served as cement supporting the morals, customs and values that gave rise to the Western civilisation - most importantly values of equality, individualism and property.

Dismantling the Christianity by socialists/liberals/diversicrats without a substitute capable to sustain those values (rise of average intelligence by15-20 IQ points through eugenics/genetic manipulation combined with thorough schooling in values of individuality and workings of free market would be my favorite) is the reason that our civilisation is falling and we will soon need survival guns and bows.

So I do not want anyone to think that I am anti-christian by dismantling your, guys arguments, even on purely logical grounds.
Especially since their validity has nothing to do with the proof of divinity.
I sincerely advise you guys to either study works of serious theoligical schoolars - starting with St. Augustine - or not get into religious discussions with non-believers at all and refer argumentative atheists to real theologists.
Not only do you use circular arguments and fallacies, some of your statements contradict the religious doctrine. Theoretical theology is a very complex thing. Probably as much more complex than simple homespun arguments as Relativity theory is more complex than Newton's mechanics.
There is a kind of pesky atheists that know most of the tricks and love getting into arguments at every opportunity. You will never convert those who come with answers rather than questions, so spare yourself the aggravation. Fortunately, many of them are anti - gun liberals, not likely to be browsing this board. :)

Without this book then there is a possibility that the USA would not exist.

It's a mighty presumption on your part that US of A - in a sorry state of decay it is now - is a paramount of God's creation. If it is, it's more likely destined to serve as an example in a not so distant future - kind of like the Flood or Sodom and Gemorrah.

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:) Only in the "Free World" could such a discussion take place. I am a believer--brought there by my experiences in life (age 67) and with a belief that offers me comfort and solace at all times (good/bad). Having been active in the medical area, the scene of death is never pleasant and much of the time we ask forgiveness--believers or not. Cover all the bases, right....I mean who knows??? And so on.

The propensity to mix religion and government is a propensity borne of something I do not understand as history is clear in its lessons.

What we DO agree on can go unstated but is strongly evidenced on this board. Though of different beliefs, we are brothers........I'll leave while the lights are out.
 

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I just have to say a few things. I was raised Christian where all of my friends and girlfriends were raised Catholic. I have taken by beating when it comes to religion and stand by Christ no matter what. I was raised on the mean streets of East Los Angeles and believe me, when one wants quantative proof that there is a God and Devil I have seen it. God has spared my life twice. I have seen my share of God and Evil.


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