[Dogman1]

I'm looking to get a heavy barrel conversion done on my mini...but I'm a little confused, are there two companies called Accuracy Rifle? One in Colorado & one in Texas? Which is the good one & which is the one all the members complain about?
Has anyone out there had Clark Mini14 conversion? Thanks.:sniper:

 

[PSG1]

WWW.ACCURACYSYSTEMSINC.COM don't fool with the guys in Texas.We've heard ALOT of horror storys about'em.:sniper:

 

[nellybell]

I second that. The one down in Texas I hear uses silver paint
for chrome plating, and 80 grit sandpaper for the satin look...
Accuracy Sysytems up Co way is the plce to go...

 

[Red]

For what it's worth....

I'm about to send my stainless Ranch out to ASI in Colorado.
I've written the guys a slew of e-mails chock full 'o questions.
It was quite obvious they pay great attention to detail as the replies to my queries were lengthy and full of minutia.

Drop them a line and let them answer some of your questions.......

I considering a 20 inch barrel with a 1/9 twist so as to be able to fire both 55 and 62 grainers. I'm wanting a thicker barrel to be sure, but not so thick as to make one of those damned heavy bench rest type rifles. I'll definitely stay under .750", as they now offer the .950" barrel.

I'm gonna have them mount either a vortex or phantom flash suppressor and then throw a non reflective satin finish on it. One of their trigger jobs should make this thing a shooter. I also want to add the aftermarket weaver rail that mounts on the integral Ruger mounts so I can mount night vision on the thing. I'll likely buy this directly from the distributor though and not ASI to save myself a couple a bucks.

I'm still undecided as to the tritium sights and laminate stock. I wonder if tritium sights will interfere with night vision. I also worry that a laminated stock will add even more heft to a rifle already on the heavy side with a thick barrel and night vision.

Anyone know what the weight of the Bell Carson stock is?

I'm setting this thing up for accuracy at 300+ yards so I'll likely get the IOR Valdada illuminated 4x scope. I also want the option of hunting at night, thus the desire for a good flash suppressor instead of a brake or a standard AR cage type flash suppressor.


I always knew that the .223 round was a short range round as far as man stopping lethality was concerned, but after reading that Oracle ammo FAQ, it becomes all too clear that short barreled rifles under 18 inches REALLY take the abilities of the 55 grain .223 to remain frangible to extremely SHORT distances.

Hell, I don't see any reason to sink all the money into accurizing a Mini through a custom shop if the dang round is gonna be under 2700 fps at 150 yards or so. The .223 relies on high velocity to perform its impressive wounding/killing profiles. In this instance barrel length IS directly proportional to optimum bullet performance at range. If all I needed was a rifle capable of killing at 200 meters or less, I could stick with an SKS.

If the .223 does not shatter in the target as designed due to loss of velocity, then all you have is a glorified .22.

I've got a standard Mini as well. It has a folding stock and flash suppressor and at 200 yards is more than accurate enough to shoot anything that might need shooting. I've considered what a rebarrel might do for it, but to be honest, I'm pretty happy with the accuracy it exhibits now.

I would like a trigger job and one of those gas bushing set ups I've heard so much about.

Anyone care to refer me to the proper source?

 

[thepusher]

Folks,

This message is long overdue, as the person that I am recommending is already well known to this group. Mike of Oregon is the MAN!!

Here are my expercience with him.

I called him at home and his wife, (who was very nice) took the message, and promised that he would call back as soon as he returned. 45 minutes later Mike called me back and we had a 40 minute conversation about conversions and updates.

Two days later I got a detailed email message about all that we had talked about and even more details about all the things that could be done to a Mini 14.

I sent him the trigger group and the request to get the gas ports, the recoil buffer, the lapping bullets and the bedding video.

With in 5 day, I mean 5 days..... (not working days), I had the trigger group and all that I had request back!!

AND WHAT A JOB!!

I did not know what "a breaking of a glass rod trigger" feel was like, but now I know. It breaks crisply at 3.25 lbs.

I did not take my rifle to the shooting range for quite a while as I was travelling, so last Sunday, I went to the range with a friend. He is the same person, whose Mini 14 I had fired before I bought mine, and fell in love with the gun. I offered him to fire the first few rounds, and he was absolutely amazed at the performance of the gun. This was not a target range, but a plinking range, and anything that he point at disappeared in a dust cloud.

AND this is only with the trigger group and the recoil buffer. I have yet to install the gas bushings, so just the trigger work made a world of difference.

I would unflinching HIGHLY recommend Mike for his work and professionalism. He also happens to be a hunter, so if you have any questions about that, he could help you.

Here is his contact information

NW Shooters Support
2350 SW Balsam Ave.
Beaverton, Oregon 97005
Phone: 503-643-6136
Mike in Oregon"<[email protected]>

Incidentally, I have been lurking on this group for an while, and all you folks are some of the nicest people on the web.

Best regards,

-thepusher

 

[Dogman1]

Well thanks for all the input...this is the best site on the net- the others AR15, & asaultweb are very unfriendly to Mini owners . I've decided to go with a 20' .900' barrel with a compensator and the laminated stock, the sniper stock is a close second but I like the wood. I shoot alot of Prarie Dogs and Coyotes so I've got big hopes for this rig! The trigger will not be messed with too much, maybe 3-4lbs. Thanks guys! That HUGE Barrel will hopefully give me some tight groups! Already have the scope...LeupoldVXIII Tactical 4.5-14.:sniper:

 

[cajungeo]

Dogman, PSG1 has the correct link for ya.

Red, I would love to see it when you have it built. Are you planing on using Trit iron sights, as well as a night scope? For the way I shoot I would loose my cheek weld, with the high see thru scope rings. I would need it to stabilize the sight picture for 300 yd shots.

I highly recommend installing a smaller gas port bushing to reduce recoil way down to protect that scope. Also a recoil buffer to soften the slide rod impact into the receiver.

I set my mini up for coyotes at 300 yds. I use 63 gr semi points for better accuracy/penetration/expansion. If I were shooting smaller varmints such as prarie dogs, I'd us a lighter, faster hollow point or balistic tip to shatter/explode dem critters.

I have 2 wood laminated stocks, a wood stock, and 2 synthetic (fiber glass stocks). The synthetic stocks are the lightest, and the laminated stocks are the heavier. I don't know what is available for the .750 barrel, ya may have to do some barrel channel work?

Thepusher, welcome to the forum. We also have had good luck with Mikes services

 

[codger]

Dogman1:

Go with whatever stock fits you best. With that 20" .900 barrel, your Mini will be so heavy you won't even notice the stock weight. I have a 20" Shilen barrel and that is plenty heavy to tote in the field with a 44mm scope. I'll bet the full-length (mine uses the original gas block), heavy profile .900 will be considerably heavier. I doubt you'll need a compensator, I barely notice any muzzle movement on mine.

Sounds like a tack-driver though...

 

[reloader]

You really shouldn't need a muzzle break with a .900" hogleg like that. Mine is .850" from past the chamber to the muzzle and it does not move when I pull the trigger. And yes the really big nasty Butus Maximus type barrels do manage to tighten the groups up to target rifle standards (sub-half minute is possible) but you have got to have your bedding right. As a matter of fact the bedding is a good deal of it. The heavy barrel does its part by eliminating whip, holding stone steady by shear weight, and not heating as fast, but without the proper attention to bedding the gains of the barrel will not be realized.

 

[Red]

Cajungo...

I'm one of those paranoid sorts that is banking on societal collapse. I guess I've read far too much history to ever be fully cured. I run into other folks who share this affliction to varying degrees, so maybe I'm just another one of those poor souls engaged in mass hysteria, or whatever it is the pscho babble folks call it.

This sort of "condition" requires that I hoard...er, "collect" rifles in military calibers for such obvious reasons as ability to acquire ammo in great bulk.

I like the .223 for numerous reasons, especially as a night time round. But from my own past experiences, I have never really trusted the AR-15 platform, so Mini it is.

I want to have a front sight installed on the Ranch after the barrel work as a backup for scope failure. I figure that if I'm getting their sights anyway, why not ask for tritium?

I want to be able to switch from day optics to night vision as needed, with tritums as a back up to those 'spensive 'lectronics.

I know, I know, everyone's already told me that I'm wasting time and money on the Mini, but I'm hard headed like that.

I only need to sell one more of my SKSs and I'm there.

I'll let y'all know how it turns out.

 

[Ivanimal]

As always the information on this site is befuddling. Dogman you are a better man than I for having made a decision with all the options of accuracy and other candy on this link. I have always been a shoot a semi auto with the best reloads and thats good enough. I have left the accuracy and trigger jobs to my model 700's and assorted other hunting rifles. The Mini 14 is has always been lead spraying beast for me. I bought mine in 1976.

Since reading this link I will now be part of this accuracy obsession geared toward a MOA mini. I wont be messing with my Old girl but rather starting from scratch. My only question is Mini 14 or Ranch.:usa:

 

[bushwack]

Ivanimal---If you're buying a new Mini to me the biggest question to answer right up front is are you planning on putting a scope on it? If so then go with the ranch model. After that it's just personal preference.

Good shooting
Bushwack

 

[cajungeo]

Hmmm, Red I must be paranoid also, my deer hunten gun, Rem .308 semi auto with a bunch of 10rd clips, my varmint gun mini-14 with a bunch of 20-30 rds clips. I like to collect the Nato ammo.

Ivan maby it would be easier to decide scope or iron sights, than Ranch or reg mini. The ranch is made to use a scope with, ejects ammo out the side, and has integral base, and comes with 1" rings, but has a poor thin, hard to adjust rear sight. While the reg mini has a much better rear sight, but cases are ejected upwards into the scope. Ranch, mini, Stainless, blue. Hmmm; decisions, decisions.

 

[bbm]

I'm another one of those paranoid types, and I have a standard minin with a QD, see through scope mount. I like the fact that if something were to happen to the scope during an incident, I don't have to do anything to switch back to the iron sights. that's my .223 cents..