[Greg1911]

the rear peep sight seems flimsy to me and is loose side to side I have a hard time getting on target with it quickly at close ranges and also have a hard time hitting targets with it.

It could be because of my shooting ability but with my 10/22 I can just nail the targets all day long but it is more difficult with the mini.

any reccomendations on rear sight how about a V notch one like whats on my 10/22?

 

[trdslinger]

There is a thread about this just a week or two ago. Our choices as ranch owners are limited. It had been discussed that the Williams sight with a little loctite is a good choice. See the thread for more info. The thread is in the accurizing section, along with some other really good information.

 

[cajungeo]

Greg you can do a search enter key words Ranch Sights, this is a thread that comes up. http://www.perfectunion.com/forums/showthr...ht=ranch+sights
Or you could scope your ranch?

 

[trippletap]

The flimsy part I don't know about. How about using some Locktite on threads, etc. Most who complain about the Mini 14 rear site are actually complaining about the inability to see through the small peephole. Remove the sight plate (2 small screws, anchor it in a vise, and drill out the peep to double or tripple its factory size. Use the large peep on an AR 15 for a good guide to useable hole size.

 

[Greg1911]

damn I wished I just would have gotton a normal mini not a ranch, why do they put this kind of site on the ranch but a different on the normal mini?

 

[cajungeo]

My understanding is the ranch was to be used primarily with a scope. With the peep sight as a back up as a secondary. The fold down sight allows a lower scope ring for better cheek spot weld thus faster target aquazition, and better accuracy. The reason I can shoot better with my 10/22 sights than my mini's sight is the 10/22 is mounted further fwd. I am near sighted so the mini being that close is a BIG blur to these old eyes. If it were me, and I didn't want to use a scope, I would try drilling the current peep out to the next drill size. Its easy to do and cheep. If that didn't work I would try the Williams as several have done this, and it seems to work.

Just a couple of thoughts: if you haven't tuned your mini the 10/22 maybe just more accurate. The wings influence me as to where the center of the peep is as it dosen't move with the sight on adj. If you want fast target acquazition, you might consider a Red Dot Sight? They work well for close to medium ranges.

 

[Geno]

Another problem may be that the front sight on the mini is too large and poorly shaped. Replacing the front sight with a Choate or Eagle muzzle break may help you to use the factory rear sight.

 

[voruzon]

That is only if you really want a muzzle-brake. Recoil is supposedly not a big issue with Mini-14, especially since you are not going to shoot full-auto.

There are plenty of negative effects from muzzle brake and/or flash-hider comfort-wise and more importantly, combat-wise.

Voruzon

 

[mikr]

Originally posted by voruzon
That is only if you really want a muzzle-brake. Recoil is supposedly not a big issue with Mini-14, especially since you are not going to shoot full-auto.

There are plenty of negative effects from muzzle brake and/or flash-hider comfort-wise and more importantly, combat-wise.

Voruzon

AR's IMO recoil less than the mini-or it may just be me and my own experience (Bushy DCM)......out of curiosity, what are all of the negative effects a muzzlebrake has on the mini?

 

[cajungeo]

The only down side my muzzle brake has is it makes it sound louder, the up side is it reduced muzzle flip, and cut my avg. 100 yd 5 shot groups in half. Ill accept the down side to cut my groups in half.

 

[voruzon]

Since you did not qualify your "The only down side" with "important to me", I assume you may not be aware of the other downsides that may be important in various circumstances.

1. The muzzle brake does create much louder sound to the sides. On a target range that will merely inconvenience one's shooting buddies, who are likely to wear ear-protection anyway - which one can live with.
In combat that could potentially seriously affect one's mates' combat effectivness and temporarily deafen them - and oneself if there is an echo-creating obstacle on one's side.

2. Muzzle flash - at least the perceived one - is increased considerably by the brake - which may temporarily blind one or one's mates when shooting in low-lignt conditions. The effect will probably inerfere with one's shooting routine by making one flinch/close one's eyes while pulling the trigger. I doubt many plan plan on spending dozens of hours practicing night shooting to get used to it, like the army grunts do - may be easier to get used to recoil.
It is also more noticeable to the enemy and having particular shape (rather than a point pinprick of light there are several cones seen sidewise) may help them better estimate one's position/distance and even light the surroundings.

3. As seen through a night vision device, a flash-supressed or brake-dissipated thermal signature is much prominent than a regular one - a large "doughnut" rather than a brief cone.

4. When shooting from consealed position, the sideways blast may disturb environment and reveal one's position.

Any of those side effects may have serious consequences in combat. There are probably more. It is probably no accident that standard milirary M16's are equipped with a flush supressor rather than an effective muzzle-brake and snipers do not use either.

AK-47 has a simple 45 degree flip-compensator and a heck of a recoil/flip. AK-74 has a brake and is the sweetest thing to shoot on full auto - with all above-mentioned effects amply exibited.

Voruzon.

 

[cajungeo]

voruzon, if you have that many down sides to your muzzle brake, you can take it off. None of your down sides applies to me, as Im not in the Marine corp any more, and not in combat.

When I take my mini hunting, or any other centifire rifle I use the earplugs with the sonic valves (normal hearing except when shooting). At the range we use Mickey mouse's. I prefer Peltor, good for jet engines, and at the range.
The sound from a center fire cartridge kills hearing cells period. Muzzle brake or no. You should always wear hearing protection when shooting.

As far as shooting at night, I use a spot light, You can see the eyes. In the Corps I prefered Interlocking, grazing fire. Nothing can get thru alive.

If you do not like muzzle brakes, then don't install one. The Up sides still outweighs the down side. Just my 2 cents

 

[voruzon]

cajungeo,

Please do not take it personally. I find no flaw in your reasoning. You obviously know what you want and what you are doing and every 2 cents you care to drop here are carefully deposited in my piggy-bank of valuable knowlege.
It's just that some may have completely different objectives affected by issues far from obvious to them.
Quite a lot of people here select the Mini as a survival/combat rather than a hunting rifle, especially in localities where AR-15 and similar types are banned.

Sweet recoild may be great but if it comes at a price of blinding, stunning and unbalancing one's squadmates in the middle of a firefight (and possibly revealing your position) one may wish to reconsider. That is of course completely irrelevant to hunting/target shooting.

I will certainly try to observe the effects of a muzzle brake - especially on accuracy - and will buy one to experiment with. Your suggestion to take my muzzle brake off is too cruel - I live in socialist New York City and it will be at best 4 month but probably more untill I am allowed to own one. Untill then, I can only read your posts and salivate.

What kind of earplugs are you talking about? How well do they work? Where does one get them?

<S!>
Voruzon.

 

[PSG1]

I have & like the Williams.It has ALOT of ajustment and marks(white) so you can remember the locations for different rounds.It can't be raised all the way with a scope on,it must be lowered.But your not going to be using it with a scope anyway.You can also order different size apatures.It is very well made and has a set screw to secure it to the action.So far,no lock-tight needed.

 

[PSG1]

I have & like the Williams.It has ALOT of ajustment and marks(white) so you can remember the locations for different rounds.It can't be raised all the way with a scope on,it must be lowered.But your not going to be using it with a scope anyway.You can also order different size apatures.It is very well made and has a set screw to secure it to the action.So far,no lock-tight needed. WWW.WILLIAMSGUNSIGHT.COM or WWW.BROWNELLS.COM

 

[cajungeo]

PSG1 I am almost sold on getting a williams sight myself, I would use the scope as a primary sight, but like the idea, of a backup sight. I have one question, is the sight metal or plastic, or both?

voruzon, I didn't take your post personally at all, and I'm sorry if It seemed that way. Its sometimes easy to misinturpet just by reading someones words. I enjoy this job, and you guys make it easy. I enjoy different points of view, and like you said we each have a different purpose. After all what kind of world would we have if every one thought like me? I chose the mini not just for hunting, as a bolt action is more accurate, I also chose it, because I could use it as a defensive weapon. Very reliable, abundent ammo, but as we know on the negative side was its accuracy. So adding the brake was the first thing I did to improve the accuracy by 50%. Between me and you, If I were in combat with my mini, my choice would be to leave it on. If I went back to shooting 5" groups, at 100 yds; then at 300 yds I'd be shooting 15" etc.

I have sensitive ears, because I have always tried to protect them. I wear ear plugs all the time at work(except when I eat, I don't like to hear all that crunching), with rivet guns, hammering, some really loud people hollering all the time some times I put on my Peltors. When I hunt I use plugs similar to these. When I shoot my ears do not ring, but I can still hear small sounds. The ringing is indictactive of cell damage. When plinking or at the range I wear my Peltors. Check out: http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/template...p016203ii01.jpg

 

[PSG1]

The sight body is anidized aluminum,the appature is steel.Try one out,its only about $30.00.I think you'll like it.:sniper:

 

[cajungeo]

I'm sold, I'll order one next week!

 

[voruzon]

Could you guys please provide catalog and inventory number for that sight as well as performance report when possible?

Voruzon

 

[mikr]

From http://www.brownells.com

962-100-143 WGRS-Mini 14/30 Fits Mini-14 Ranch Rifle & Mini-30 $32.80

Is this the one??