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Fair enough. Private seller has the right to refuse service to "Legally Unprotected" people. Can't do that with "Legally Protected" folks, such as specifically-mentioned groups; for example: Racial Minorities, or specific Religious groups, to name only a few.

Personally, I think the 2A applies to all Citizens (with certain legal restrictions, such as people convicted of violent crimes), and those that are turned away from gun shops and so forth have one more grudge against 2A supporters, and the 2A itself. It's my belief that the more firearms owners there are, the harder it will be for the Gov't to enact anti-firearms legislation. Might be wrong, but VOTERS with $$ invested in firearms are not likely to want to see their firearms be outlawed, or confiscated.

I think vendors denying 2A rights to anyone sets a bad precedent, and, in the long run, is counterproductive. But private vendors have the right to do so, in many instances. Their call on how they run their business, not mine.

Of course there is the argument that anyone walking into a gun store, and making a Big Point about being a Biden supporter, or a Progressive, might be too stupid to be allowed handle a firearm, or even own one, but that is another discussion, and another thread.
I agree the more legal gun owners the better....and with all the civil unrest even the libtards are seeing they need to protect themselves and are seeing why the 2A is needed...with that said, if the libbies that are now gun owners continue to vote demtard..they are useless to the cause...if they smarten up and see how they were wrong in the past and change, then they are more or less welcome to cross over ...as long as they dont bring their libby ways....
as this can be shown to cause problems where ever they go..just look at the migration of libbies out of california they have infected every state that touches california..they destroy where they are and then move on to destroy where they go with the same libtard ideas...
 

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I agree the more legal gun owners the better....and with all the civil unrest even the libtards are seeing they need to protect themselves and are seeing why the 2A is needed...with that said, if the libbies that are now gun owners continue to vote demtard..they are useless to the cause...if they smarten up and see how they were wrong in the past and change, then they are more or less welcome to cross over ...as long as they dont bring their libby ways....
as this can be shown to cause problems where ever they go..just look at the migration of libbies out of california they have infected every state that touches california..they destroy where they are and then move on to destroy where they go with the same libtard ideas...
I understand. There are consequences to Far-Leftists owning firearms. Fully understood. That said, then the more firearms VOTERS being personally invested in the 2A, the better, IMHO. Not every Liberal subscribes to the Far-Left Progressive platform. Their owning firearms is a >>perfect<< introduction to the Constitution, and perhaps other ways of thinking.

Consider such things like Liberals owning firearms as a bridge to them, and a possible way to help them understand Their (and all of Our) rights.

It's possible to deal with most Liberals, and persuade them to accept most conservative/libertarian arguments as reasonably valid. The REAL problem is with the Far-left "Progressives". They are Marxists, under a different name.

I understand the concerns about States like Texas being over-run by Libs fleeing States like CA. Well, the Libs did so for a reason, and folks in TX might want to talk to them about it. Reasonable to assume Libs fleeing to TX will make a political influence, but also reasonable that existing TX folks will influence the Libs, over time. Works both ways.
 

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I understand. There are consequences to Far-Leftists owning firearms. Fully understood. That said, them more firearms VOTERS being personally invested in the 2A, the better, IMHO. Not every Liberal subscribes to the Far-Left Progressive platform. Their owning firearms is a >>perfect<< introduction to the Constitution, and perhaps other ways of thinking.

Consider such things like Liberals owning firearms as a bridge to them, and a possible way to help them understand Their (and all of Our) rights.

It's possible to deal with most Liberals, and persuade them to accept most conservative/libertarian arguments as reasonably valid. The REAL problem is with the Far-left "Progressives". They are Marxists, under a different name.

I understand the concerns about States like Texas being over-run by Libs fleeing States like CA. Well, the Libs did so for a reason, and folks in TX might want to talk to them about it. Reasonable to assume Libs fleeing to TX will make a political influence, but also reasonable that existing TX folks will influence the Libs, over time. Works both ways.
almost all the big cities in texas are demtard...too late..I guess texas didnt educate them enough...but good to see the special election winners are all republican...the demtards flopped out...LOL..
 

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We have added 2 new indoor gun ranges in the passed 10 years in the Des Moines metro. It's my understanding they are running at full capacity. We also have some outdoor ranges in the metro and they are busy as well. Iowa has become more conservative in the last 20 years and in the last 10 years we have added 4.5% more people than in the 2010 census. Some of those folks are returning to Iowa but many are from out of State. Conclusion: many of those folks returning are not liberal but in the middle or lean to the right politically. Now is the time to welcome them to your State and show them what is good about being conservative and being a gun owner.

The democrat party died with JFK and Harry Truman. What we have now are folks lost in the democrat web and far left loonies. Using the far left scare tactics cuts both ways. Not everyone is still in bed with the lunatic democrat party. They want enlightenment. It's time to capitalize on our good fortune.

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We have added 2 new indoor gun ranges in the passed 10 years in the Des Moines metro. It's my understanding they are running at full capacity. We also have some outdoor ranges in the metro and they are busy as well. Iowa has become more conservative in the last 20 years and in the last 10 years we have added 4.5% more people than in the 2010 census. Some of those folks are returning to Iowa but many are from out of State. Conclusion: many of those folks returning are not liberal but in the middle or lean to the right politically. Now is the time to welcome them to your State and show them what is good about being conservative and being a gun owner.

The democrat party died with JFK and Harry Truman. What we have now are folks lost in the democrat web and far left loonies. Using the far left scare tactics cuts both ways. Not everyone is still in bed with the lunatic democrat party. They want enlightenment. It's time to capitalize on our good fortune.

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My current club, and my former club, both have a waiting list, and are currently running at full-capacity. The days of going to the range and either being alone, or with a couple other people are long gone.

What is interesting is the greatly increased number of female shooters; pistol, mostly, but a few rifle shooters. That's all to the good, as the Anti-groups are heavily dominated by females. Having as many females as possible on OUR side helps a good deal, especially when they are employed as spokespeople in public. Helps take some of the wind out of our opponents' sails.
 

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This thread has gone sideways, and should be moved to the News & Political Forum. I come here for topics pertaining specifically to Mini 14/Mini Thirty rifles, not political/societal opinions.
 

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My current club, and my former club, both have a waiting list, and are currently running at full-capacity. The days of going to the range and either being alone, or with a couple other people are long gone.

What is interesting is the greatly increased number of female shooters; pistol, mostly, but a few rifle shooters. That's all to the good, as the Anti-groups are heavily dominated by females. Having as many females as possible on OUR side helps a good deal, especially when they are employed as spokespeople in public. Helps take some of the wind out of our opponents' sails.
After seeing Joe's new gun control demands it looks like the Mini is safe. The "ghost guns" and high capacity magazines are at risk. I suggest everyone stock up with ammo and 10 round magazines. Paint your black Mini stocks tan or pink or put them in wood. The Mini is going no where as long as it doesn't have an evil bayonet lug and is black. As RIBob stated more women than ever are getting into firearms and the Mini is user friendly and does not look like an EBR. All this whining and nashing of teeth can stop now.

If the democrats really thought they had this thing whooped they would of done it by now. Americans are tired of the liberal left and their stolen election. They may have the numbers in Congress but they do not have them on the main streets and back streets of America. In the end, they cannot win and they know it. Liberalism and it's associated socialism isn't going to fly and the folks who believe in the Constitution will come out the victors.

As SFC Hulka says in that great American movie Stripes "lighten up Francis".
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May I suggest we refrain from purely political comments, and return to how the Mini is/will be affected by proposed State laws?

I discovered a company called MagLatch who make a number of CA/NY compliance items for a wide variety of firearms, Mini-14 and Mini-30 included. I have some of their items on order, and will report on those pertinent to the Mini, when installed and tested.

I also figured out at least two ways to simply and reversibly modify Butler Creek/Choate side folders to fixed stocks, consonant with laws requiring "dis-assembly of the firearm" provisions. Exact wording of pertinent laws is extremely important.

Again, I don't like thinking about this, let alone doing it. Just planning ahead. Hopefully not necessary, but time will tell.
 

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Interesting.

Suddenly your semi auto would be a straight pull bolt.

I'd really like the charging handle on the left side if I had such a rig.

To me it's easier to use the left hand rather than regaining your trigger positioning each time.

I had a Winchester Model 77 for many years in my childhood and youth and the left side charging handle it had was a good design and seems a lot better to me than right side.

Maybe because I just got so accustomed to it.

I'm looking for a chance to buy a Ruger PC 9mm carbine with the reversible charging handle.
Charging handle on user's weak side (assuming right-handed shooter) is one reason to like the FAL I installed an Israeli bolt with the "Forward-Assist" feature. Works well.

As it is, the Mini and the M1/M1A controls are almost perfectly set-up for left-handed users. I've begun to shoot all these rifles left-handed, and after some considerable practice, find it easier, and more natural to do so. Dry-firing saved a ton on ammo cost/use. One should always train to shoot all firearms with either hand/side, as a matter of course.
 

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As it is, the Mini and the M1/M1A controls are almost perfectly set-up for left-handed users. I've begun to shoot all these rifles left-handed, and after some considerable practice, find it easier, and more natural to do so. Dry-firing saved a ton on ammo cost/use. One should always train to shoot all firearms with either hand/side, as a matter of course.
Thanks.

That takes a lot of dedication.......I don't have that much, I fear. Too old to learn new tricks.

But I commend you.
 

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With respect, most personal limits are self-imposed.
Right.

I accept you're recommending the right thing.

If I were younger I'd probably do it.

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