Springfield and Brazil?
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Fishbaja, I can't blame you for being shocked to learn--after your purchase--that the SA 1911 was made in Brazil. The maker is happy to capitalize on the Springfield name connection, but turns to offshore producers for their actual products. I think they ought to rename the company "Rio De Janeiro Armory" or something like that.
As far as I can tell, SA doesn't publicize this offshore manufacturing. I searched their website for the word "Brazil" and got no hits, and they certainly don't mention Brazil on their "About Us" page. Conclusion? The whole issue is basically something the want to hide. Good thing the guns themselves have to be stamped with the country of origin.
All this is completely aside from the question of whether your SA 1911 is a good gun or not. For your sake I hope so. There's no guarantee that a U.S.-made gun is better, but that's what you wanted and that's what you should have.
As far as I can tell, SA doesn't publicize this offshore manufacturing. I searched their website for the word "Brazil" and got no hits, and they certainly don't mention Brazil on their "About Us" page. Conclusion? The whole issue is basically something the want to hide. Good thing the guns themselves have to be stamped with the country of origin.
All this is completely aside from the question of whether your SA 1911 is a good gun or not. For your sake I hope so. There's no guarantee that a U.S.-made gun is better, but that's what you wanted and that's what you should have.
I'm going to make an assumption: that most of us here are not made of money, and that most of us generally don't want to shell out $2,000, or $3,000, or even more for a custom 1911, in most cases. Usually, we just want a functional 1911, reasonably accurate and reliable, and we want some value. Most buy 1911's that are worth well under $1,000. That is true of most if not all the "loaded" models at Springfield.
Now given that most customers want value, Springfield is trying to give you that. In order to make those $500 and $600 Milspecs and GI models, and those $800 loaded models with all the bells and whistles, they HAVE to do it offshore in order to give you that many features for such a low price. They really only have two chocies, to make these low-end pistols: make them offshore using some MIM parts. Or, use MIM parts, plus create an automated factory so you can churn out buku models, then flood the market here, trying to make profit on doing a massive volume (as Kimber does). Those are your two choices, if you want an inexpensive 1911. There is simply no other way they can make pistols with that many features for such low prices, given the American costs of doing business including wages.
I don't think Springfield is trying to hide anything. If they were, they wouldn't have the Brazilian maker stamping "Made in Brazil" right on the side. They're not making a big deal out of it on their site, nobody does. Why should a business intentionally stir up a sensitive political issue and attract attention to themselves, when none of their competitors does? But, just because they don't make a big deal out of it, doesn't mean they're hiding it either.
If you want a truly "made in America" pistol, you can get one from Springfield any time. You can get one in their custom shop, which WILL be made in America. But it will not be one of these $600 to $800 jobs, you will have to pay the going rates for custom work, probably starting $1600 to $2000, and going on up.
Springfield is still doing all the following items in their American shop, to my knowledge:
* Creating the product designs and engineering.
* Providing the service on all their products.
* Doing all the customization, even on the low-end models.
* Building all the high-end custom models.
I want to give them credit: I think they are doing what any other good and competitive business is trying to do: survive and make a profit, and keep employing as many Americans as they can. They are offering good products across the whole price spectrum, from "value" priced, to high-end, and you can buy anywhere on that spectrum that you wish. If they could make low-end models in the U.S. and make a profit, I'm sure they would, but I don't think that's an easy thing to do right now, as I see VERY few companies making low-end 1911's here at home.
I would love it if all products could be made in America right now, but the fact is, we have a competitive, worldwide economy. And if you don't want to pay 2K or more for your 1911, and yet you still want some features, I don't see what's the problem with getting something that is made in another country. I'm sure if most of us had to choose between getting these $600 1911's made in a foreign country, versus not having any 1911's available at ALL in this price range (since no American company can afford to make them in this price range), we'd choose to still have the inexpensive options available. And besides, it doesn't seem so bad. Most owners of these Springfield Milspecs and other value-price models are quite happy with them, and they seem like great quality for the money. I'd rather have them providing these models in this price range, than to have them ONLY providing high-end, expensive models, such as the custom makers like Ed Brown. Having the offshore-made models gives us consumers more choices.
Now given that most customers want value, Springfield is trying to give you that. In order to make those $500 and $600 Milspecs and GI models, and those $800 loaded models with all the bells and whistles, they HAVE to do it offshore in order to give you that many features for such a low price. They really only have two chocies, to make these low-end pistols: make them offshore using some MIM parts. Or, use MIM parts, plus create an automated factory so you can churn out buku models, then flood the market here, trying to make profit on doing a massive volume (as Kimber does). Those are your two choices, if you want an inexpensive 1911. There is simply no other way they can make pistols with that many features for such low prices, given the American costs of doing business including wages.
I don't think Springfield is trying to hide anything. If they were, they wouldn't have the Brazilian maker stamping "Made in Brazil" right on the side. They're not making a big deal out of it on their site, nobody does. Why should a business intentionally stir up a sensitive political issue and attract attention to themselves, when none of their competitors does? But, just because they don't make a big deal out of it, doesn't mean they're hiding it either.
If you want a truly "made in America" pistol, you can get one from Springfield any time. You can get one in their custom shop, which WILL be made in America. But it will not be one of these $600 to $800 jobs, you will have to pay the going rates for custom work, probably starting $1600 to $2000, and going on up.
Springfield is still doing all the following items in their American shop, to my knowledge:
* Creating the product designs and engineering.
* Providing the service on all their products.
* Doing all the customization, even on the low-end models.
* Building all the high-end custom models.
I want to give them credit: I think they are doing what any other good and competitive business is trying to do: survive and make a profit, and keep employing as many Americans as they can. They are offering good products across the whole price spectrum, from "value" priced, to high-end, and you can buy anywhere on that spectrum that you wish. If they could make low-end models in the U.S. and make a profit, I'm sure they would, but I don't think that's an easy thing to do right now, as I see VERY few companies making low-end 1911's here at home.
I would love it if all products could be made in America right now, but the fact is, we have a competitive, worldwide economy. And if you don't want to pay 2K or more for your 1911, and yet you still want some features, I don't see what's the problem with getting something that is made in another country. I'm sure if most of us had to choose between getting these $600 1911's made in a foreign country, versus not having any 1911's available at ALL in this price range (since no American company can afford to make them in this price range), we'd choose to still have the inexpensive options available. And besides, it doesn't seem so bad. Most owners of these Springfield Milspecs and other value-price models are quite happy with them, and they seem like great quality for the money. I'd rather have them providing these models in this price range, than to have them ONLY providing high-end, expensive models, such as the custom makers like Ed Brown. Having the offshore-made models gives us consumers more choices.
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whats wrong with Brazil?? Brazilians are smart capable people and their major cities are just as modern and no different than our major cities if anything their cities are cleaner. sure wages are lower there but that doesnt mean their craftsmanship lacks to be honest you are probably getting higher quality workmanship than you would get from lazy American factory workers. the lower wages in Brazil in comparison to our wages are actually good wages to a Brazilian. also its not like you are getting second rate steel the steel still has to meet springfields standards besides the steel brazil buys is the same steel the US buys since it all comes from asia these days. If ya take a minute and think about it alot of first rate products come from brazil. so dont be too upset about parts coming from Brazil. shoot most of your high dollar after market safeties, beaver tails, and slide releases and many other after market parts are also made in brazil. it could be worse those parts could be made in the Philippines.
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Besides, what are we getting from Colt these days? Models have been cut back, corporate antics hardly encourage brand loyalty, most of the working guns were dumped in favor of higher-end (read higher margin) and custom models.
Brownings are manufactured largely, if not entirely, overseas.
Walthers can be found made here, for a price. Thats just it. I don't begrudge a guy in a US factory a decent wage, but then again, I'm not rolling in dough either.
Brownings are manufactured largely, if not entirely, overseas.
Walthers can be found made here, for a price. Thats just it. I don't begrudge a guy in a US factory a decent wage, but then again, I'm not rolling in dough either.
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+1 on the RIA... I have mine broken in now and it is shaping up to a nice gun!
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You can get base model 1911's made in the US for only marginal amounts more than a Springfield.
You can buy a Blued Kimber Custom II 1911 for $669.95. I am pretty sure they are made in america. They are only about $120-$170 more that a Springfield Milspec, and have more features than the Milspec.
STI International 1911's are made in the US. The STI Spartan has an MSRP of $660, so I am sure you can get it for less, and it has more features than the Springfield 1911. Heck they make many really nice high-end 1911s for under $1600, several of them for under $1300.
The Sig Sauer 1911 is made in America. I would consider that to be high-end gun and it can be had for $800.
Companies can make quality base model 1911's in the US for only marginally more than a base model 1911, and the base models of these different companies tend to have more features than the Base model Springfields.
Quality things are made in Brazil Now Aday's. Apparently Taurus had some issues on start-up, but that does not have to be because it was made in Brazil. Many companies have QC problems when they start up.
I would just prefer to have an STI or Kimber for a little bit more than a Springfield and have a gun that is Made in America. That is just my personal preference though.
Charlie
You can buy a Blued Kimber Custom II 1911 for $669.95. I am pretty sure they are made in america. They are only about $120-$170 more that a Springfield Milspec, and have more features than the Milspec.
STI International 1911's are made in the US. The STI Spartan has an MSRP of $660, so I am sure you can get it for less, and it has more features than the Springfield 1911. Heck they make many really nice high-end 1911s for under $1600, several of them for under $1300.
The Sig Sauer 1911 is made in America. I would consider that to be high-end gun and it can be had for $800.
Companies can make quality base model 1911's in the US for only marginally more than a base model 1911, and the base models of these different companies tend to have more features than the Base model Springfields.
Quality things are made in Brazil Now Aday's. Apparently Taurus had some issues on start-up, but that does not have to be because it was made in Brazil. Many companies have QC problems when they start up.
I would just prefer to have an STI or Kimber for a little bit more than a Springfield and have a gun that is Made in America. That is just my personal preference though.
Charlie
Charlie, that's a thoughtful post, and I understand where you're coming from.
Yes there are a couples of companies still making low-end ones in the U.S. I don't know much about STI and the Spartan, but here are a couple of points to remember. First, it's their only full-sized model that they make under $1000! So, not a lot of variety of models and features. Springfield, for instance, probably has 20 different 1911's that sell for under $1000. Secondly, and this is the kicker, I believe that even the STI Spartan is not made fully in America. Because it is the only one STI makes that is so much lower-priced than their others, I got curious and checked around a bit, and it appears that the slide, frame, and barrel are actually made by Armscor in the Phillippines. Then STI makes the other parts, and finishes the Spartans here. Here's an article that mentions this fact. So, the STI Spartan again fits the general pattern I was describing: to make a low-end gun, you usually have to do at least some of it overseas.
Now, that leaves Kimber. Among the major U.S. gun makers (I'll leave out Sig, since they are actually a foreign company), Kimber is the only one I know of making some lower-priced 1911's here. As you said, they have a few models in their Custom II line that can be bought in the $700-$800 range. But Kimber is unique in the sense that they can make these models because they've built an ultra-modern, computer-driven, totally automated production plant that eliminates most human labor. They certainly are not providing hundreds of jobs to U.S. workers in their plant. They are making cheaper pistols mostly by ELIMINATING human workers and replacing them with machines. That's not necessarily bad, but it's the reality. They take a bunch of inexpensive mass-produced MIM parts, and then they use computerized machinery to do nearly all the assembly to very exacting tolerances. This works well to produce accurate guns at an affordable cost, but some have questioned whether Kimber is just trading off reliability to get accuracy. I don't know if that's true or not, but in any case, I don't expect a lot of U.S. companies will be able to imitate Kimber's approach, and so, for purposes of having a variety of choices, I'm still glad that we have the option to buy less-expensive 1911's that are made overseas.
Yes there are a couples of companies still making low-end ones in the U.S. I don't know much about STI and the Spartan, but here are a couple of points to remember. First, it's their only full-sized model that they make under $1000! So, not a lot of variety of models and features. Springfield, for instance, probably has 20 different 1911's that sell for under $1000. Secondly, and this is the kicker, I believe that even the STI Spartan is not made fully in America. Because it is the only one STI makes that is so much lower-priced than their others, I got curious and checked around a bit, and it appears that the slide, frame, and barrel are actually made by Armscor in the Phillippines. Then STI makes the other parts, and finishes the Spartans here. Here's an article that mentions this fact. So, the STI Spartan again fits the general pattern I was describing: to make a low-end gun, you usually have to do at least some of it overseas.
Now, that leaves Kimber. Among the major U.S. gun makers (I'll leave out Sig, since they are actually a foreign company), Kimber is the only one I know of making some lower-priced 1911's here. As you said, they have a few models in their Custom II line that can be bought in the $700-$800 range. But Kimber is unique in the sense that they can make these models because they've built an ultra-modern, computer-driven, totally automated production plant that eliminates most human labor. They certainly are not providing hundreds of jobs to U.S. workers in their plant. They are making cheaper pistols mostly by ELIMINATING human workers and replacing them with machines. That's not necessarily bad, but it's the reality. They take a bunch of inexpensive mass-produced MIM parts, and then they use computerized machinery to do nearly all the assembly to very exacting tolerances. This works well to produce accurate guns at an affordable cost, but some have questioned whether Kimber is just trading off reliability to get accuracy. I don't know if that's true or not, but in any case, I don't expect a lot of U.S. companies will be able to imitate Kimber's approach, and so, for purposes of having a variety of choices, I'm still glad that we have the option to buy less-expensive 1911's that are made overseas.
Hey guys,
I had been looking around at very "bullseye accurate" 1911's for awhile. I bought a taurus pt1911, and really enjoyed it. It is surprisingly accurate at 25 and even 50 yards with handloads, and can hang with much more expensive pieces.. But i wanted a bit more. So i sold off a springfield armory I had laying around and saved a little bit more cash and started looking.
I settled on this, a sigarms gsr, although I may replace the sights eventually with some good target sights. I got it for a really good price. Vote is still out on the grips:
http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=25&productid=126
Its made in the usa and designed by a usa shooter, and very well built. They are so tight, they may require quite a bit of break in. Although like timlt says, it is a foreign controlled company. By all accounts, accuracy is not a problem. If accuracy is what you want, you owe it to yourself to check out the sig. Once it is worn in and well tested, the controls are more like carry controls than "race gun" controls. So it could be used for that as well, imo.
Couple articles:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_171_28/ai_n6123159/pg_2
http://www.handgunsmag.com/featured_handguns/granite_061404/
In researching these pistols, they did have some teething problems with early production. I believe they have most of it ironed out, but still, I think a lengthy break in might be expected based on the pistol's fit (its a beast to get apart).
I had been looking around at very "bullseye accurate" 1911's for awhile. I bought a taurus pt1911, and really enjoyed it. It is surprisingly accurate at 25 and even 50 yards with handloads, and can hang with much more expensive pieces.. But i wanted a bit more. So i sold off a springfield armory I had laying around and saved a little bit more cash and started looking.
I settled on this, a sigarms gsr, although I may replace the sights eventually with some good target sights. I got it for a really good price. Vote is still out on the grips:
http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=25&productid=126
Its made in the usa and designed by a usa shooter, and very well built. They are so tight, they may require quite a bit of break in. Although like timlt says, it is a foreign controlled company. By all accounts, accuracy is not a problem. If accuracy is what you want, you owe it to yourself to check out the sig. Once it is worn in and well tested, the controls are more like carry controls than "race gun" controls. So it could be used for that as well, imo.
Couple articles:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_171_28/ai_n6123159/pg_2
http://www.handgunsmag.com/featured_handguns/granite_061404/
In researching these pistols, they did have some teething problems with early production. I believe they have most of it ironed out, but still, I think a lengthy break in might be expected based on the pistol's fit (its a beast to get apart).
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Well Timlt,
Looks like you got me. Looks like the only American Made American Owned Companies that make 1911's in the $800 or less range is Kimber and Auto Ord. (Although I could swear at one time the parts were made oversea's and assembled in the U.S., but maybe that was a different 1911 company)
I have been to other Forums where people think that Ruger should take up the 1911's and make a model similar to the Kimber Custom II's for about $100.00 more than a Spingfield Mil Spec. I think this would be hard to do, and I have no idea how Ruger could do it in a way that would be profitable against Springfield, ROI, Llama, etc.
I guess it is just hard seeing a piece of Americana made somewhere than the U.S. I am sure the quality is there. They are also in the price range most people would be willing to pay for a base line 1911. I figure that majority people don't want to pay much over $500 for a new pistol (that is probibly a large part of the reason why Ruger and Glock do so well). Especially those people tha just want a 1911 to say they have one.
Charlie
Looks like you got me. Looks like the only American Made American Owned Companies that make 1911's in the $800 or less range is Kimber and Auto Ord. (Although I could swear at one time the parts were made oversea's and assembled in the U.S., but maybe that was a different 1911 company)
I have been to other Forums where people think that Ruger should take up the 1911's and make a model similar to the Kimber Custom II's for about $100.00 more than a Spingfield Mil Spec. I think this would be hard to do, and I have no idea how Ruger could do it in a way that would be profitable against Springfield, ROI, Llama, etc.
I guess it is just hard seeing a piece of Americana made somewhere than the U.S. I am sure the quality is there. They are also in the price range most people would be willing to pay for a base line 1911. I figure that majority people don't want to pay much over $500 for a new pistol (that is probibly a large part of the reason why Ruger and Glock do so well). Especially those people tha just want a 1911 to say they have one.
Charlie
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It would have been a lot easier to keep an American-designed and American-made pistol here if Colt hadn't screwed the pooch so to speak and abandoned its core customer base in favor of federal contracts and political correctness. Now that others are taking up that section of the market, it would be nice if Colt took the opportunity and went back to its roots, while at the same time abandoning its PC tendencies as well as deporting the people responsible to Iceland or somewhere.
Having American products made outside the country is inevitable, however, as long as American workers demand a better lifestyle and the wages to make that possible at the same time as stock holders demand juicy dividends. My old Chevy pickup was built in Canada in 1986. Several of the Leviton electrical products in the house have been made in Mexico for many years. Consumers demanding that the stuff they buy be made here are getting some results: My '04 Tundra was built in Texas with major parts made in other states. Things are far from the colloquial handbasket, but you would think that the huge firearms market here could retain the majority of the non-military production, but much of that has been cut back because fellow shooters just can't seem to come up with the cash to buy stuff made by people earning the wages we'd all like to make. We're kinda funny that way.
Having American products made outside the country is inevitable, however, as long as American workers demand a better lifestyle and the wages to make that possible at the same time as stock holders demand juicy dividends. My old Chevy pickup was built in Canada in 1986. Several of the Leviton electrical products in the house have been made in Mexico for many years. Consumers demanding that the stuff they buy be made here are getting some results: My '04 Tundra was built in Texas with major parts made in other states. Things are far from the colloquial handbasket, but you would think that the huge firearms market here could retain the majority of the non-military production, but much of that has been cut back because fellow shooters just can't seem to come up with the cash to buy stuff made by people earning the wages we'd all like to make. We're kinda funny that way.
Charlie,
STI International 1911's are made in the US. The STI Spartan has an MSRP of $660, so I am sure you can get it for less, and it has more features than the Springfield 1911. Heck they make many really nice high-end 1911s for under $1600, several of them for under $1300.
The STI Spartan is made in the Philippines.
Quality things are made in Brazil Now Aday's. Apparently Taurus had some issues on start-up, but that does not have to be because it was made in Brazil. Many companies have QC problems when they start up.
Taurus has been around since 1941 so it's hard to determine what you are referring by problems on start-up.
--Mark
STI International 1911's are made in the US. The STI Spartan has an MSRP of $660, so I am sure you can get it for less, and it has more features than the Springfield 1911. Heck they make many really nice high-end 1911s for under $1600, several of them for under $1300.
The STI Spartan is made in the Philippines.
Quality things are made in Brazil Now Aday's. Apparently Taurus had some issues on start-up, but that does not have to be because it was made in Brazil. Many companies have QC problems when they start up.
Taurus has been around since 1941 so it's hard to determine what you are referring by problems on start-up.
--Mark
Mrblackguns,
I hate to have to say this, but over the years I have become disgusted with Springfields 1911s, particularly their "entry level" models, they are some of the clunkiest things I've ever handled.
Just to offer an alternate opinion, I've owned three of them and find them about the best thing going in a basic 1911 today.
The biggest shock came not when I discoverd they werent being made in the U.S. anymore, but the fact that they had the gaal and disdain for their customers to actual make a cheap two-piece, YES I SAID 2-PIECE, soldiered barrel for their entry level guns, a gun writer nearly got seriously injured a few years ago when Springfield started this cheap b.s. while he was testing a new model for a magazine artical. When he contacted them they blew him off and said they havent been sued yet over any serious catastrophic failures so they werent going to be changing anything at the moment.
Shock, eh? They've never been made in the USA, you just weren't paying attention. And their barrels aren't "soldered." Words mean things, and you used them here to create a negative impression in the minds of readers. The most informed source I can find about the actual methodology says "the breech section is heated and then shrunk onto the barrel shank. Conceivably that could make for a stronger chamber depending on how the assembly is done, not unlike how the breech and barrel assemblies of artillery pieces are manufactured." That was from Mike Irwin, former NRA American Rifleman staffer. Regardless of how it's done, it's not uncommon. Browning Hi-Powers have had two-piece barrels for decades, as have other pistols. And the 9mm is a much higher pressure round than the .45ACP. As to your gun writer story, without anything but your anecdotal comments, it remains anecdotal. Another source I found says it has never happened. Who is right?
Springfield like other poor quality 1911 manufacturers I.E. Auto Ordanance, etc, has gone through many ownership changes over the past several decades and this allways seems to result in cost-cutting and quality problems.
This is just plain wrong. The Reese family has owned Springfield since before the company ever got into 1911s and owns the company still today. One has to wonder where you are getting your information. Springfield, among the greater 1911-buying, is considered one of the top 2-3 brands of medium-priced 1911 pistols. Springfield and Kimber, as a guess, probably sell more 1911s than anyone else.
The funny thing is their U.S. custom shop where they make all their high end guns they supply competitive shooters and agencies with make great top end guns, but most of you average Joe's will never get your hands on one of their "good" guns.
Like every other custom shop out there, they don't give away guns--if any reader has the money for a custom pistol, they can order one exactly to their taste.
--Mark
I hate to have to say this, but over the years I have become disgusted with Springfields 1911s, particularly their "entry level" models, they are some of the clunkiest things I've ever handled.
Just to offer an alternate opinion, I've owned three of them and find them about the best thing going in a basic 1911 today.
The biggest shock came not when I discoverd they werent being made in the U.S. anymore, but the fact that they had the gaal and disdain for their customers to actual make a cheap two-piece, YES I SAID 2-PIECE, soldiered barrel for their entry level guns, a gun writer nearly got seriously injured a few years ago when Springfield started this cheap b.s. while he was testing a new model for a magazine artical. When he contacted them they blew him off and said they havent been sued yet over any serious catastrophic failures so they werent going to be changing anything at the moment.
Shock, eh? They've never been made in the USA, you just weren't paying attention. And their barrels aren't "soldered." Words mean things, and you used them here to create a negative impression in the minds of readers. The most informed source I can find about the actual methodology says "the breech section is heated and then shrunk onto the barrel shank. Conceivably that could make for a stronger chamber depending on how the assembly is done, not unlike how the breech and barrel assemblies of artillery pieces are manufactured." That was from Mike Irwin, former NRA American Rifleman staffer. Regardless of how it's done, it's not uncommon. Browning Hi-Powers have had two-piece barrels for decades, as have other pistols. And the 9mm is a much higher pressure round than the .45ACP. As to your gun writer story, without anything but your anecdotal comments, it remains anecdotal. Another source I found says it has never happened. Who is right?
Springfield like other poor quality 1911 manufacturers I.E. Auto Ordanance, etc, has gone through many ownership changes over the past several decades and this allways seems to result in cost-cutting and quality problems.
This is just plain wrong. The Reese family has owned Springfield since before the company ever got into 1911s and owns the company still today. One has to wonder where you are getting your information. Springfield, among the greater 1911-buying, is considered one of the top 2-3 brands of medium-priced 1911 pistols. Springfield and Kimber, as a guess, probably sell more 1911s than anyone else.
The funny thing is their U.S. custom shop where they make all their high end guns they supply competitive shooters and agencies with make great top end guns, but most of you average Joe's will never get your hands on one of their "good" guns.
Like every other custom shop out there, they don't give away guns--if any reader has the money for a custom pistol, they can order one exactly to their taste.
--Mark
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Hmm, not sure why the stress?
Hello all, RON L here - SERE SURPLUS
I understand your distress at finding out your item is not made in the US! It's an Unfortunate sign of the times! As many others here have said, the Brazil made Slides and Frames really are quality and well made! I have a Rock island made gun, a Phillipines and it's a base Model gun and it's well made, works well and 5K through it and am well pleased, I have a Springfield gun, and it was a GO model, I only had 2K through it and traded it for a Sig-220 in 45ACP! As many here have said, try your new gun and see if the "Break In" period shows your fears unfounded! If not, you can always sell it and buy a Coilt, or Kimber and Probabaly not get any better a firearm! UAW doesn't promise any Quality in the Build and you might be worse off! Best to try it and see?
RON
Hello all, RON L here - SERE SURPLUS
I understand your distress at finding out your item is not made in the US! It's an Unfortunate sign of the times! As many others here have said, the Brazil made Slides and Frames really are quality and well made! I have a Rock island made gun, a Phillipines and it's a base Model gun and it's well made, works well and 5K through it and am well pleased, I have a Springfield gun, and it was a GO model, I only had 2K through it and traded it for a Sig-220 in 45ACP! As many here have said, try your new gun and see if the "Break In" period shows your fears unfounded! If not, you can always sell it and buy a Coilt, or Kimber and Probabaly not get any better a firearm! UAW doesn't promise any Quality in the Build and you might be worse off! Best to try it and see?
RON
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