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The Siege at Ruby Ridge is often considered a pivotal date in American history. The shootout between Randy Weaver and his family and federal agents on August 21, 1992, is one that kicked off the Constitutional Militia Movement and left America with a deep distrust of its leadership - in particular then-President George H.W. Bush and eventual President Bill Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno.

The short version is this: Randy Weaver and his wife Vicki moved with their four kids to the Idaho Panhandle, near the Canadian border, to escape what they thought was an increasingly corrupt world. The Weavers held racial separatist beliefs, but were not involved in any violent activity or rhetoric. They were peaceful Christians who simply wanted to be left alone.

Specifically for his beliefs, Randy Weaver was targeted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) in an entrapping "sting" operation designed to gain his cooperation as a snitch. When he refused to become a federal informant, he was charged with illegally selling firearms. Due to a miscommunication about his court date, the Marshal Service was brought in, who laid siege to his house and shot and killed his wife and 14-year-old son.

Randy Weaver was, in many ways, a typical American story. He grew up in an Iowa farming community. He got decent grades in high school and played football. His family attended church regularly. He dropped out of community college and joined the United States Army in 1970. After three years of service, he was honorably discharged.

One month later he married Victoria Jordison. He then enrolled in the University of Northern Iowa, studying criminal justice with an eye toward becoming an FBI Agent. However, he dropped out because the tuition was too expensive. He ended up working in a John Deere plant while his wife worked as a secretary before becoming a homemaker.

Both of the Weavers increasingly became apocalyptic in their view of the world. This, combined with an increasing emphasis on Old Testament-based Christianity, led them to seek a life away from mainstream America, a life of self-reliance. Vicki, in particular, had strong visions of her family surviving the apocalypse through life far away from what they viewed as a corrupt world. To that end, Randy purchased a 20-acre farm in Ruby Ridge, ID, and built a cabin there.

The land was purchased for $5,000 in cash and the trade of the truck they used to move there. Vicki homeschooled the children.

The Weavers Move to Ruby Ridge

After moving to Ruby Ridge, Weaver became acquainted with members of the Aryan Nations in nearby Hayden Lake. He even attended some rallies. The FBI believed his involvement in the church was much deeper than it actually was - they thought he was a regular congregant of the Aryan Nations and had attended the Aryan Nations World Congress.

Both Randy and Vicki were interviewed by the FBI in 1985, with Randy denying membership in the group, citing profound theological differences. Indeed, the Weavers (who had some points of agreement with the Aryan Nations, primarily about the importance of the Old Testament) mostly saw their affiliation with the Aryan Nations as a social outlet. Living off-grid, the nearby members of the Aryan Nations were neighbors in remote northern Idaho.

Later, in 1986, Randy was approached at a rally by undercover ATF informant Kenneth Faderley, who used a biker alter ego of Gus Magisono and was currently monitoring and investigating Weaver's friend Frank Kumnick. Faderley introduced himself as an illegal firearms dealer from New Jersey. Randy later encountered Faderley at the World Congress of 1987. He skipped the next year's Congress to run for county sheriff, an election that he lost.

The ATF claims that in 1989, Faderley purchased two illegally shortened shotguns from Randy Weaver. However, Weaver disputes this, saying that the shotguns he sold Faderley were entirely legal and were shortened after the fact. The notes from the case show that Faderley purchased the guns and showed Weaver where to shorten them, which would constitute illegal entrapment. What's more, the government preyed on the destitute nature of the Weavers, who lived in a small cabin in the woods with no electricity or running water.

The real purpose of the investigation was not to grab Weaver, but to use him to infiltrate a group in Montana being organized by Charles Howarth. In November 1989, Weaver refused to introduce Faderley to Howarth, and Faderley was ordered by his handlers to have no further contact with Weaver.

Randy Weaver Refuses to Turn Snitch

In June 1990, Faderley's cover was blown. It was then that the ATF reached out to Weaver, stating that they had evidence he was dealing illegal firearms. They told him they would drop all charges if he would agree to become their new informant regarding the investigation of the Aryan Nations groups in the area. Weaver refused.

To coerce him into changing his mind, the Feds staged a stunt where a broken down couple were at the side of the road. Weaver stopped to help them and was handcuffed, thrown face down in the snow and arrested. He had to post his home as bond. Still he refused to become a federal informant.

The irony of the federal government's desire to obtain informants within the Aryan Nations is that different branches of federal law enforcement and intelligence gathering occupied five of the six key positions in the organization. This means that the Aryan Nations were effectively a government-run shop, with agents spying on each other to ensure the integrity of an investigation - into an organization almost entirely run by the federal government.

The government had an obsession with the Aryan Nations due to Robert Jay Matthews, who was a member of The Order, a terrorist organization including members of the Aryan Nations. The FBI's Hostage Rescue Team burned Matthews alive inside his own home.

Due to his ongoing refusal to snitch, Weaver was then arrested in January 1991, on illegal firearms sales charges. These charges stemmed from Weaver's earlier "sale" of two shortened shotguns to Faderley, the undercover ATF agent - a sale which the feds later admitted constituted illegal entrapment.

Weaver's court date was set for February 19, 1991, then changed to the next day. Weaver, however, received notice that his court date was not until March 20. He missed his February court appearance and a bench warrant was issued for his arrest. The United States Marshals Service wanted to allow Weaver the chance to appear for what he thought was his court date, however, the United States Attorney's Office sought a grand jury indictment on March 14th - six days before his notice said he was due in court.

Already skeptical of the Feds after their repeated strongarm tactics, both Randy and Vicki saw this as further evidence that Weaver would not receive a fair trial. They increasingly isolated themselves on their Ruby Ridge farm, vowing to fight rather than surrender peacefully.

During the standoff, a voluntary surrender date was negotiated with the Marshals Service for October 1991, but the United States Attorney's Office refused the settlement. The Deputy Director of the Special Operations Group of the Marshals Service, using evidence obtained through surveillance, believed that the best course of action was to drop the indictment, issue a new one under seal, and use undercover agents to arrest Weaver, who presumably would have dropped his guard. This recommendation was again rejected.

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that is how liberal politics works........
don't trust someone? infiltrate & take over
don't trust the infiltrators? invent crimes, make arrests & try to force a rollover (snitch)
if caught trying that, or if your plan fails....kill anyone involved and call them a traitor

Cliven Bundy & LaVoy Finicum much?
 

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Gordon Kahl... he pissed off the IRS teaching people about their lawlessness, so they murdered him.

Claude Dallas... just wanted to live off'n the land, so he moved out west. Didn't know that the draft board was looking for him, was harassed to the point of shooting a couple of game wardens who couldn't leave him alone.

The Weaver family.

The Branch Davidians.

LaVoy Finicum.

There have been many others, there's a name for it when the government murders people, it's called Democide:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide

Democide... interesting name, don't you think?

In fact it kinda rhymes with Arkincide...
 

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National guard at Kent State.

Anyone remember a kid named Elián González?
Reno sent a swat team to pick up a 7 yr old child.

At 5:14 a.m. — while attorneys for the young Cuban refugee negotiated his status with Justice Department officials — eight Immigration and Naturalization Service officers used a battering ram to knock down the front door of Elian’s great uncle, Lazaro. Wielding machine guns, the body‐​armor‐​clad agents knocked over a picture of Jesus Christ and a statue of the Virgin Mary on Easter Eve. They then kicked down another door inside the Gonzalez home.

According to Elian’s cousin, Marisleysis Gonzalez, federal agents held her at gun point while one screamed, “Give me the f — - — ing boy or we’ll shoot you.” An NBC cameraman said federal gunmen kicked him in the stomach, hit his sound man with a rifle butt and yelled, “Don’t move or we’ll shoot.”

A Border Patrol agent in a helmet and goggles soon pointed his assault rifle at Elian and the man who shielded him in his arms — Donato Dalrymple, one of the fishermen who rescued him from the Atlantic Ocean last Thanksgiving. As Elian hollered, “Help me! Help me!”, he was whisked away in a white van driven by yet another federale whose face was hidden in a ski mask. Onlookers, meanwhile, were kept at bay with pepper spray.

Luckily no one was killed, these kind of tactics were uncalled for.
Most of these no knock entries are also uncalled for.

At Waco the ATF could have taken David Koresh when he was in town,
but thought a gunfight and burning children alive would be more fun.

Yes us of this age group remember but the younger generations knows little or
nothing of these tragedies, unless they are from those areas or told by parents.
It's not like they will learn about these things in school.
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that is how liberal politics works........
don't trust someone? infiltrate & take over
don't trust the infiltrators? invent crimes, make arrests & try to force a rollover (snitch)
if caught trying that, or if your plan fails....kill anyone involved and call them a traitor

Cliven Bundy & LaVoy Finicum much?
Spot on. I wonder when the day will come that the Feds start remotely planting illicit images on dissidents' hard drives so they can subsequently move in and arrest them.
 

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OK, since Randy Weaver lives not that far from me, and a good friend of mine, is a good friend of Randy Weaver, I know some of the story. There are certain flaws in the first post that probably should be corrected, but not by me right now, too tired, and pointing out factual errors seems to really piss off the stupid who then send curt, incoherent, profanity (at least I think it is profanity, the whole post is so poorly spelled, so poorly originized, so poorly,,, well everything, that it is hard to tell what he said, what he trying to say or what the point is, if he ever had one) laced threats. Since it was reported and still there, I guess that sort of stuff is allowed here.

Might add Pastor Robert Miles to your list. Don't read the google/wiki BS, pack of lies and semi/half truths. Go read the Fort Smith Sedition Trial transcripts. The judge threw the case out after one of the lawyers pointed to Bob (a good friend of mine) and yelled at the witness "It's HIM you ass! We went over this, it's HIM!" when the witness couldn't point to Bob after testifying he lived with Bob for many years and Bob "concidered him his son"!

The ****** and American Indian took turns jumping up and going "WE OBJECT your honor, WE are not White!" when the gov't lawyers called them all "White supremacists".

Of course Pastor Miles and Pator Butler were the only rwo whites on trial, with two American Indians and two ******, which the gov't claimed all conspired together to over throw the gov't. When the judge asked point blank "Does the gov't have ANY evidence it can show against ANY of these gentlemen?" The answer was "no"! Case dismissed.

Bob later committed suicide in his tiny shower stall by crushing both feet with a baseball bat, breaking all his ribs, crushing both hands with a baseball bat, and then crushing his skull with the baseball bat (never found, so Bob hid it after killing himself!).

Sort of like Gordon Kahl who committed suicide by wiring his feet together, then cutting them off with an ax, and kicking them under the refrigerator (where they were found later, unburned), wiring his hands behind his back and then cutting his hands off with an ax, then pouring gasoline all over the house and setting it on fire, after dousing himself with gasoline.

Well I could go on and on and on (Antionie Scolea, the Supreme Court judge who held a pillow over his face until he died at a Demonraqt/communist front dude ranch anyone?) but you get the idea. Maybe next time I will talk about Waco, TX and the Branch Davidians, you know, gov't agents (who just happened to be Slick Willie's secret service guards) machinegunned in the back (like Randy's son) with gov't issue tunston cored bullets, and Seal Team Six in helicpters machinegunning anyone who tried to flee the fire and poison gas the gov't used, (at least that is what they all testified to in the CON-gressional hearings in case you were wondering. Makes interesting reading). Oh yes, Seal Team Six was shot down in Iraq and they were all killed. Funny how all the gov't agents from Wac who testified all seemed to have turned up dead. COINCIDENCE! Tip of the iceberg. And speaking of the Titanic, it also has an interesting history you get lied to about... next time. Oh and Roswell, and.... next time!
 
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