[outdoortexas]

If you've heard the news, it seems they want to keep all the control and stability they can over their own. Seems they are now ready to encourage Saddams Generals to go against him "at the last minute".

Might give us a better chance to spend our resources going after the terrorist, and not having to rebuild Iraq. Not to mention the lives saved.

Don't get me wrong, if we need to lets burn 'um to the ground.

 

[GreenLantern]

Yeah I saw that in the news too. It would be nice if something can be done to avoid any loss of American servicemen (and women), however, I think that unless it's done by an outside source (US/Britian) then it won't have enough impact. I put no faith in the Saudis as they habitually talk out both sides of their mouth. They'll see to it that what is done is just enough to satisfy their own agenda and appease the sqeamish Europeans. I think to much of the top echelon will be left in place. The apple is rotten to the core, not just the top 100 people in Republican Guard or the Baath Party.

 

[GreenLantern]

And on top of that, my impression of the Arabs is that unless you whup them good they just don't get the point. Kind of like scolding a dog, you can continue to scold but at somepoint you're going to have to use the newspaper to teach the dog a lesson.

Of course you might say we used the newspaper back in '91 and look where that got us.

 

[currykid3]

MOney seems to be the motivator. Forget all the talk about allya(what ever) the saudis what to keep the money and that means stability.

 

[outdoortexas]

You're right CK3, stability means they get to keep their money, and power!

I agree with you too GL, they can't be trusted. I(for what it's worth) believe they're working both sides. But, let's be honest, we can't be doing away with the House of Saud. The results would be worse than the problems we face now.

 

[Guest]

Is anybody else thinking North Korea is just waiting until we commit troops to the middle east? I think we ought to let the arabs sort it out themselves. NK is a hell of a lot more dangerous to the US, since we have permanent bases in South Korea and Japan, plus they can reach Hawaii with missiles. Saddam might be a threat, but I don't think he's on par with NK.

Since Reagan was the last president to actually spend money on the military, I don't think we want to fight two opponents at once.

By the way, I am in the Individual Ready Reserve until Aug 05,2004. I received notice that I had to go to a physical on Feb 7th. No idea if this means they are looking to call me back or if this just happens to be my time to get one anyway. They told me I'd get one every 5 years, but I just seperated from active in 2000, so I'm not even close to that requirement.

 

[va hunter]

You are right DOC N K is alot more dangerous than Iraq because when they get pissed off so does China. Eggroll anyone?

 

[outdoortexas]

Can't be sure of course, but seems to me the NK are just doing some chest thumpin' to see what kind of crumbs we'll throw their way. We're already making offers of food and fuel along with tech asst.
Supposably, and it's likely true, they already have a couple of nukes. Delivery and a better stockpile would suit their ambitions but those boys aren't as dumb as some seem to want to believe.
Besides, China doesn't want us over there with any more presence than we already have.
But, then again?

 

[Amy]

Originally posted by outdoortexas
You're right CK3, stability means they get to keep their money, and power!

I agree with you too GL, they can't be trusted. I(for what it's worth) believe they're working both sides. But, let's be honest, we can't be doing away with the House of Saud. The results would be worse than the problems we face now.

Oh I think we can indeed do away with the House of Saud, and it's best if we do it when we do away with the House of Sadaam, and take both their oil.

Then we wouldn't have the Saudis funding Palestinian terrorists or Sadaam trying to get nukes and funding terrorists and the Arabs would finally get the message. Eliminate those two and the rest will fall in line, and being the world's oil broker we can then drop the price to $8 a barrel.

Let's face it, the terrorism is never going to stop without drastic measures, and we are positioned to take those measures at present. BTW, while we are at it let's take out all those bothersome Palestinians, who never were a people or had a homeland until Israel became a state, and they all hell broke loose and they wanted to drive the Jews into the sea. As soon as there was a Jewish *state* suddenly it was the stolen Palestinian homeland. Yeah, right! They had a homeland in Jordan, but abandoned it to go after Israel when it became a Jewish state. Their whole cause is a hideous fraud!

Before that they were perfectly happy to live with the Jews and enjoy the benefits of Jewish industry and ingenuity that made a very livable area out of the Negev desert. After that it was all about killing the Jews and they have been making trouble ever since.

Amy

 

[Amy]

Originally posted by outdoortexas
Can't be sure of course, but seems to me the NK are just doing some chest thumpin' to see what kind of crumbs we'll throw their way. We're already making offers of food and fuel along with tech asst.
Supposably, and it's likely true, they already have a couple of nukes. Delivery and a better stockpile would suit their ambitions but those boys aren't as dumb as some seem to want to believe.
Besides, China doesn't want us over there with any more presence than we already have.
But, then again?

North Korea is rejecting our entreaties, they want their way or nothing. Not very mature, but then maturity has not been their strong point thus far. They will very likely start a war, and I'm betting they will do it while we are in Iraq. That would seem to be how they are timing it.

Amy

 

[Guest]

Oh I think we can indeed do away with the House of Saud, and it's best if we do it when we do away with the House of Sadaam, and take both their oil.

It would seem that we would have occupation armies stationed in two hostile countries of people who have proven themselves willing to strap explosives to their bodies just to annoy their enemies. $8/barrel is going to be rough when some one has to man the oil fields. Are you going to trust natives of the land you've just invaded and taken over? Might as well just blow them up yourself and save them the time. American workers going to the middle east are going to be paid big time, just like they have in the past, if you can find enough willing to go. Add in you've likely just make more enemies by invading a quasi-ally and giving the anti-US sentiment something extremely concrete to latch on to (genicide of the palestinians, imperialism on a global scale) and I think that's probably a horrible ideal.

The biggest enemy to oil prices is the government and the Sierra club type groups. About 40-50 cents of the price you pay at the pump is taxes. There is no shortage of oil, and if we run into one it will be because a blue mouthed tit darter was found within 75 miles of each and every oil reserve.

 

[va hunter]

SCREW THEM, lets just turn their country into a parking lot and take allll of their oil. Maybe open up a few 7 elevens since we will have enough towel heads to run them

 

[outdoortexas]

No argument with your right to that veiwpoint Amy, but we could have bigger problems than the Saudis if they were to lose control. My thoughts go back to Iran, and how they have changed.

Don't misinterpret my words here, we all know the corruption that exists, sometimes the lesser of two evils is better.

 

[lcm]

I will paraphrase a litte ditty I read recently- LOL

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