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Monica Crowley: Alinsky Dedicated Book to Lucifer and Obama Taught Alinsky - YouTube!

This made me look it up for myself.

This seems to be first edition only, or at least not in current editions.

"Lest we forget at least an over the shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins - or which is which), the very first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom - Lucifer." :unsure:
Saul D. Alinsky, Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals

The following is from a 1972 playboy interview (two months before his death)

ALINSKY: ... if there is an afterlife, and I have anything to say about it, I will unreservedly choose to go to hell.
PLAYBOY: Why?
ALINSKY: Hell would be heaven for me. All my life I've been with the have-nots. Over here, if you're a have-not, you're short of dough. If you're a have-not in hell, you're short of virtue. Once I get into hell, I'll start organizing the have-nots over there.
PLAYBOY: Why them?
ALINSKY: They're my kind of people.

This more disturbing because of his influence on those who lead currently lead this nation.
Hillary Rodham senior thesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Barack Obama is also an Alinskyite. Trained by Alinsky's Industrial Areas Foundation, Obama spent years teaching workshops on the Alinsky method. In 1985 he began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago, working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project. Later, he worked with ACORN and its offshoot Project Vote , both creations of the Alinsky network.

Just something to think about.
Now bring on the ridicule, rule 5 I think.
 

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In the case of Saul Alinsky, most of the crowd knows nothing about the target except that they're supposed to hate him. And why not? There's the strange foreign name - obviously an alien. One of them. And a socialist at that. What's a socialist? Don't know - but Obama's one, isn't he? Barack Hussein Obama, Saul Alinsky - bingo! Two peas in a pod, and a sinister, subversive pod at that.

But just who was Alinsky, really? Born in 1909, in the ghetto of Chicago's South Side, he saw the worst of poverty and felt the ethnic prejudices that fester, then blast into violence when people are crowded into tenements and have too little to eat. He came to believe that working people, poor people, put down and stepped upon, had to organize if they were going to clean up the slums, fight the corruption that exploited them, and get a handhold on the first rung of the ladder up and out.

He became a protégé of labor leader John L. Lewis and took the principles of organizing into the streets, first in his hometown of Chicago, then across the country, showing citizens how to band together and non-violently fight for their rights, then training others to follow in his shoes. Along the way, Alinsky faced down the hatred of establishment politicians, attacks both verbal and physical, and jail time.

He was a gutsy guy. Outspoken, confrontational, profane with a caustic wit, one journalist said he looked like an accountant and talked like a stevedore. He had a flair for the dramatic, once sending a neighborhood to dump its trash on the front step of an alderman who was allowing the garbage to pile up. Or immobilizing city hall, a department store or a stockholders meeting with a flood of demonstrators demanding justice.

One thing Newt has right - Saul Alinsky was a proud, self-professed radical. Just look at the titles of two of his books - Reveille for Radicals and Rules for Radicals. But a communist or socialist he was not. He worked with them on behalf of social justice, just as he worked alongside the Catholic archdiocese in Chicago. When he went to Rochester, NY, to help organize the African American community there after a fatal race riot, he was first invited by the local Council of Churches. It was conscience they all had in common, not ideology.
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Saul Alinsky, Who? | On Democracy | BillMoyers.com
 

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RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty (I think this is what you try to do with all of your lofty references)

Bill Moyers? Really? You are using a mouthpiece of the democrat party since LBJ to tell me that Saul is not so bad. You are joking right? That is like asking Sean Hannity to do a piece on Carl Rove……No actually it is worse because Hannity has never claimed to be a Journalist, and NEVER BEEN PRESS SECRETARY FOR THE WHITEHOUSE!!!!!(LBJ...great society anyone? which Moyers had a hand in crafting.)

"Hey Legion is Satan a bad guy?"
"No? "
"Ok well it must be true because it takes one to know one."

WHAT?
Read your history……Moyers was dirty as hell before you deified him as a holy Journalist .

He never held office again because he was damaged goods and could do more for the cause as a propagandist…..that is journalist


Seriously, I know you want to defend the guy but that is just sad.
 

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As a point of curiosity

I wonder how weird it was for CBS to hire Moyers after he had help bully /blackmail them back in the 1960’s over CBS’s coverage of Vietnam. What a tangled web

I wonder if it was pay back for not exposing Morley Safer’s communist back ground.
Was Frank Stanton still CBS President at the time he was hired? How did Stanton’s sitting as chairman of the RAND Corp. (that evil gov think tank)play into it

Like I said just curiosity
 

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Morley Safer's communist back ground
False.
In 1964, Safer joined CBS News as a London-based correspondent. In 1965, he opened the CBS News bureau in Saigon. That year he followed a group of United States Marines to the village of Cam Ne, for what was described as a "search and destroy" mission. When the Marines arrived, they gave orders in English to the inhabitants-by all accounts harmless civilians-to evacuate the village. When the homes were cleared, the Marines burned their thatched roofs with flamethrowers and Zippo lighters. Safer's report on this event was broadcast on CBS News on August 5, 1965, and was among the first reports to paint a bleak picture of the Vietnam War. President Lyndon Baines Johnson reacted to this report angrily, calling CBS's president and accusing Safer and his colleagues of having "shat on the American flag." Certain that Safer was a communist, Johnson also ordered a security check; upon being told that Safer "wasn't a communist, just a Canadian," he responded "Well, I knew he wasn't an American."

Library, University of California, Berkeley, 2005, Pacifica Radio/UC Berkeley Social Activism Sound Recording Project: Anti-Vietnam War Protests in the San Francisco Bay Area & Beyond
Are you going on smear campaigns now?

Look, star, people aren't usually all-good or all-bad. Bill Moyers may have done some bad things while working for the Johnson administration. I don't know whether he did or not. What I do know is, he has largely been an excellent journalist in recent decades. I have seen a lot of his work; I know it's good, particularly his Friday night program called "NOW" during the darkest days of the Bush years, when hardly anyone in the MSM was doing real reporting.
 

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False.

Are you going on smear campaigns now?

Look, star, people aren't usually all-good or all-bad. True

Bill Moyers may have done some bad things :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:while working for the Johnson administration.
I don't know whether he did or not. Let me help with that here http://www.slate.com/articles/news_.../the_intolerable_smugness_of_bill_moyers.html

MORE IS JUST A GOOGLE AWAY.

What I do know is, he has largely been an excellent journalist in recent decades. I have seen a lot of his work; I know it's good, particularly his Friday night program called "NOW" during the darkest days of the Bush years, when hardly anyone in the MSM was doing real reporting.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
"Library, University of California, Berkeley, 2005, Pacifica Radio/UC Berkeley Social Activism Sound Recording Project: Anti-Vietnam War Protests in the San Francisco Bay Area & Beyond"
Again you are using a source like that?
Safer says that this what they threatened him with in his own book Flashbacks. Weather he was a commie or not I do not know…..However it does show about moyers. Since you bring up smear campaigning…….Moyer helped father it in the modern age….

Wall Street Journal in 2005 that weeks before the 1964 Johnson-Goldwater election, Moyers "was tasked to direct [FBI Director J. Edgar] Hoover to do an investigation of Goldwater's staff to find similar evidence of homosexual activity. Mr. Moyers' memo to the FBI was in one of the files."

But don't let facts get in the way of your opinion

So they are only "excellent journalist" if the spout dogma you agree with……it must be hard to live in the same house as your ego. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

As fun as this is I must be done with it for now......
 

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You are the one who made the false claim in this thread, star.
 

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So you putting a link to your above post somehow makes it become true the second time? :wacko::wacko:
Sad…..

Clearly you missed the part where Safer refuted your claim IN HIS OWN BOOK!!!!http://www.amazon.com/Flashbacks-Returning-Vietnam-Morley-Safer/dp/0312924828
So do I believe a quote from propaganda radio (edit: make that from the wiki page on Safer) or an autobiography from the guy it happened to????

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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"Library, University of California, Berkeley, 2005, Pacifica Radio/UC Berkeley Social Activism Sound Recording Project: Anti-Vietnam War Protests in the San Francisco Bay Area & Beyond"

I see you just copied the end note off of WIKI and to think I wasted my time reading books......:lol:

Since I doubt you will take the time to read here is a summary from a 1992 article in the Chicago tribune.........

Safer made his sentiments about Moyers known in his 1990 book,

"Flashbacks," in which he said Moyers participated in a Johnson administration effort to squelch his critical reporting about Vietnam. Safer wrote that Moyers sat in on a meeting with Johnson and CBS president Frank Stanton in which "Johnson threatened that, unless CBS got rid of me and "cleaned up its act, the White House would "go public" with information about Safer`s "Communist ties."
For Moyers to be party to such a smear, Safer said, undercut his standing as "the sometimes overly pious public defender of liberal virtue, the First Amendment and rights of minorities."


Of course the was before the FOIA papers showed Moyers did much worse than this……

but again don't let facts get in the way......
 

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Where in Safer's own book does he refer to his "communist background," star?

Doesn't he refer to it as a "smear," in which case he is asserting it is untrue?

Yet you posted,
star said:
... I wonder if it was pay back for not exposing Morley Safer's communist back ground.
 

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star, I am just as critical of those like Oliver North and Roger Ailes, who did terrible things and then went on to successful media careers, as you are of Bill Moyers, so am not about to argue with you about that, except for one difference: While all three did reprehensible things before going into media, only Bill Moyers has since that time persistently investigated and exposed wrongdoing in the halls of power. A subject area he is all too familiar with, yes? So are the likes of Oliver North and Roger Ailes, but neither of them repented, and to this day, both act as enablers of privilege and corruption.

28"But what do you think? A man had two sons, and he came to the first and said, 'Son, go work today in the vineyard.' 29"And he answered, 'I will not'; but afterward he regretted it and went. 30"The man came to the second and said the same thing; and he answered, 'I will, sir'; but he did not go. 31"Which of the two did the will of his father?" They said, "The first." Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you that the tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God before you. 32"For John came to you in the way of righteousness and you did not believe him; but the tax collectors and prostitutes did believe him; and you, seeing this, did not even feel remorse afterward so as to believe him.
http://nasb.scripturetext.com/matthew/21.htm
 

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The hypocrisy of your above statement speaks for itself.

One thing to note however; he did not repent until he was busted by release of FBI documents 30+ years after his crimes, and had no issue with condemning others for acts he knew he had committed himself in the interim.

but nice try at a redirect.
 

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One thing to note however; he did not repent until he was busted by release of FBI documents 30+ years after his crimes, and had no issue with condemning others for acts he knew he had committed himself in the interim.
Considering the timeline, that does not make sense. You've confused multiple factors.

I don't want to argue about this. If you think everything Bill Moyers has done in recent years is automatically tainted by his actions four and a half decades ago, that's your prerogative.
 

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satan is too smart to side with obummer. satan the great lord of all. only liars like jesus would. jesus is lying to everyone. fooling you for satan being the bad evil. but the truth is, satan among us. satan is mother nature that will lead us to a religious free world by destroying all his enemies in which they will burn in pain.
 

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satan is too smart to side with obummer. satan the great lord of all. only liars like jesus would. jesus is lying to everyone. fooling you for satan being the bad evil. but the truth is, satan among us. satan is mother nature that will lead us to a religious free world by destroying all his enemies in which they will burn in pain.
Don't insult ME with your anthropomorphic inanity. MY WAYS are beyond knowing by the likes of you. I'LL use whom I want, when I want, for whatever reason I want. I, THE FATHER OF LIES, lead human imbeciles such as yourself down the garden path. You stop to smell the flowers, not realizing they are cunning lures, subtle enticements, inducements working toward the furtherance of MY PLANS.

ALL HAIL ME.
 
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