[voruzon]

Comes in a plastic bottle with a ball inside.
Does not smell much - feels like oil. Requires shaking. Feels gritty - there is some stuff there in the liquid. Promises to clean copper and fouling.

What is that? Is it abrasive? Is it abrasive to the bore metal?
I was sold that when I requested something that can be used indoor which it certainly does.
You cannot use that one with a pull-through cable as it requires wrapping a patch around a brush and doing a dozen strokes.


Also, I was cleaning my Mini yesterday. Only 300 rds throught it plus 22lr - with cleanings in afterwards. I was at it for hours varying the methods - I used Hoppes #9 (Not copper), Remington Bore Cleaner - once, 10 strokes, Remington Oil and the brass brush with Hoppes and Oil. Also pull-through with line and push with a brass jag of different patches or patches wrapped on a nylon brush.
I wanted to achieve perfectly clean patches before going in with Hoppes Benchrest #9 Copper Remover.
Every time it gets clean with one method, another one would produce a lot of dirt. Especially the brass brush.
I will continue today. Is that normal?

V.

 

[mikr]

Do you have a muzzlebrake or flash suppressor mounted? I normally swab it out well with Q-tips (and Hoppe's) and use pipe cleaners to clean out the milled slots and or holes or what have you. I see this a lot on A2 style flash suppressors after shooting CMP matches in which I fire at least 88 rounds. And sometimes it does seem like it takes forever to clean the barrel.

A perfectly clean bore can look dirty because the end attachment is still dirty and is larger than the i.d. of the bore, thus getting the patch dirty at the very end of the stroke....I hope that this helps.

 

[voruzon]

No, it's not a JM mizzlebrake - I am carefull with that and I see the dirty impressions of lands and groves on the patch.

With the brush, I wrap the patch from the chamber end and it never touches anything but the bore. Almost the same with pull-through ones.

V.

 

[cajungeo]

Voruzon, here is a msds on the Remington bore cleaner. I would imagine the natural earth, is your abrasive/grit you feel. Probably fine silica (sand). An abrasive is an abrasive. It must be used with care as it will abrade all type of metals. I wouldn't use it everytime I cleaned the rifle. Only once in a while to remove copper build up you can't otherwise remove.

I have never gotten a completely clean patch. It always has some smuge on it. I spend about 10 to 15 min. (not counting the 15 min. I let the Benchrest copper cleaner soak). I use a bore brush every other cleaning. It keeps the copper, and lead build up off. It works for me.
http://www.remington.com/pdfs/msds/borecleaner.pdf

It takes a few min. to download.

 

[KING]

Use SHOOTER'S CHOICE. It will remove copper fouling. Clean as normal until most of the nasty black stuff comes out. Run a patch soaked with SC through the barrel and let set over night. In the AM run another patch soaked with SC through the bore. If you get a green-blue color you have copper fouling continue this procedure until all blue green doesn't appear. In the process run a copper brush through the bore to remove stubborn fouling. the SC will eat up a bore brush so clean it after use. Continue this procedure until blue green doesn't appear, may take sometime but a good cleaning works wonders. Good luck and good shooting!

 

[voruzon]

King,
Apparently Shooters Choice - unlike Shooters Choice MC7 is ammonia-based.

That makes it dangerous to stainless-steel barrels, especially if left overnight.

V.