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Well, here is what I find in my copy of "The Gun Digest Book of Modern Gun Values; 10th edition (1996):

Mini-14: Perf.: $400 Exc.: $370 VGood: $330
Ranch: ": $420 ": $390 ": $340
Stainless: ": $430 ": $400 ": $355

Of course, this book says all the above are "no longer in production", and the Mini-14/5 (factory folder variant) IS still in production, and this in 1996, so I don't know how seriously the above should be taken.

Personally, I paid $500 for a Pre-Ban (183-prefix) blued Mini w/flash supressor, bayonet lug and M-14 style front sight; seven (non-factory, crappy) 30-round mags, tactical vest, and ammo can ful of approx. 2400 rounds .223. But then again, I bought it from my uncle so a similar deal might be more costly from a total stranger.
 

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Looks like prices are holding pretty steady, but the real question is: What's the oldest thread you've ever resurrected? It seems to be a competition lately.
 

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Looks like prices are holding pretty steady, but the real question is: What's the oldest thread you've ever resurrected? It seems to be a competition lately.
Bravo!

Great timing on double Picard facepalm.
 

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I'll add to this thread. Our Local Sportsman's Warehouse had Smith and Wesson M&P's AR 15-M4's for $600 just before Christmas. They are back up to $680 now. I have the feeling the bottom is dropping out of the AR market. I hope Ruger keeps up (or down) with the falling prices of the AR's. kwg
 

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I'll add to this thread. Our Local Sportsman's Warehouse had Smith and Wesson M&P's AR 15-M4's for $600 just before Christmas. They are back up to $680 now. I have the feeling the bottom is dropping out of the AR market. I hope Ruger keeps up (or down) with the falling prices of the AR's. kwg
the sport model? Pass.
 

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Kinganuthun said:

the sport model? Pass.

I don't know which model right now. That was 3 weeks ago. I'm only saying something made by S&W that was described as their M&P model that shoots 223/5.56 and looks very much like and AR15 with an M4 barrel was $600. Let's hope Ruger keeps pace with their prices IF they continue to be sold in this price range. kwg
 

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Kinganuthun said:

the sport model? Pass.

I don't know which model right now. That was 3 weeks ago. I'm only saying something made by S&W that was described as their M&P model that shoots 223/5.56 and looks very much like and AR15 with an M4 barrel was $600. Let's hope Ruger keeps pace with their prices IF they continue to be sold in this price range. kwg
S&W M&P are nice AR15's. Many would argue, for $1000 dollars, its the best buy.
BUT, The sport model has a lot of shortcuts, thats why its a lot cheaper. It's a decent entry gun for the novice/beginner shooter who isnt ready to make a large investment in a well made, rugged, long barrel life firearm. But just to get into the sport of range shooting, small hunting, at a reasonable price. The 4140 melonite barrel is not going to last nearly as long as a hammer forged chome molly barrel. It's not M4 cut.. no dust cover.. Its cheaper than the other M&P AR15 models for obvious reasons.
IF they want to continue and move up to a more accurate, better materials, and reliable firearm, then a better M&P upper (or any manufacture) can be bought and put on the same lower in the future.
This gun is a good deal for it's purposes, no doubt, and a smart move by S&W But unless you plan on never firing it, its not going to become a family heirloom. Putting miles on it is going to be like putting miles on a Hyundai.
For Ruger to keep that kind of pace, they would have to take similar shortcuts. Again, Pass.

I have a S&W M&P 40compact.. love that gun! Destroys Glocks IMO.
 

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Palmetto State Armory is selling mil spec ARs for around $700 and they have all the boutique builders in a tizzy now. They worked out some deal with the FN plant to make their barrels. I see the AR market like the custom chopper market was 10 years ago. Lots of boutique builders commanding super high prices until people start getting a clue and the bottom of the market drops out. I give it two more years before all ARs are selling for around $600 as the Gucci-flauge 5.11 "operators" move on to something else.
 

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Palmetto State Armory is selling mil spec ARs for around $700 and they have all the boutique builders in a tizzy now. They worked out some deal with the FN plant to make their barrels. I see the AR market like the custom chopper market was 10 years ago. Lots of boutique builders commanding super high prices until people start getting a clue and the bottom of the market drops out. I give it two more years before all ARs are selling for around $600 as the Gucci-flauge 5.11 "operators" move on to something else.
Yes, I have been taking a hardcore look at those PSA's. I know they had some quality control issues. They wernt test firing, and sent out some guns with the wrong gas blocks.:unsure:
I've heard they have taken the steps necessary...
I figure I'd wait a couple months for some more reviews to come out, I think they sold a lot at Christmas.
But yes, they could knock some guys off their high horse for sure.. unless Bernyankme's inflation sets in.:angry:
 

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I paid $675.00 for my Tactical with walnut stock new 2 weeks ago. It had a little bit of rack rash so I talked them down from the original asking price.
 

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Bought my used, but like new, had zero wear marks, Stainless Mini30 for 620.00 with a factory 5 round mag, the scope rings, and the box/etc.

They are over 700 new around here.

As for the M&P AR15 Sport, the mellonite treatment on the heavy barrrel is dang robust, and what's more, the way it's rifled, is unique. The bullet first leaves the case, into the lands, and is going nearly straight forward. As the bullet travels down the barrel, the "twist" increases to max just before the bullet exits the muzzle crown.

This is in contrast to "normal" setups where the bullet leaves the case, and is caught up in lands that immediately try to rotate the bullet to the same rate of spin. (As you can imagine, there is sliding friction, and the case is stressed by the lands rate of twist that is the same at the chamber as it is at the muzzle.)

So, for 700.00 or so, the Sport M&P gives you a very high quality barrel, with very cool, and accurate potential features, in a lower that has a fixed curved, glove friendly trigger guard, no forward assist and no dust cover.

It's a nice clean design, and 99.9% of shooters do not need a dust cover. Same goes for the FA. Shoot it more, and worry less. Just clean it like all AR's, and it should be fine. (The reviews of owners have been positive.)

I'm looking at the sport as a base for adding a piston driven gas block and bolt. (Then no FA or dust cover is needed period, as you remove the serious flaw/drawback of the gas impingement's dirty operation, heat in the face of the shooter and swift failure to run correctly due to carbon/dirt build up. The FA was a cheap fix for a dirty design.)

None of the piston driven AR's need a FA, or the dust cover. :)
M&P would sell this rifle at 800.00 ALL DAY LONG if it was a "cheap" piston driven carbine with the mellonite treated barrel. (And let's please see some better quality hand guards/pistol grip etc.)

Just my .o2, but I don't own an AR anymore due to my desire to actually shoot a rifle, not just constantly clean it between every other magazine just so it will operate as it's supposed to do.

PS: I love the comments that a barrel is going to wear out... Right. Who here has shot 50,000 rounds out of their 5.56/.223? Ever? Even a mellonite treated barrel will handle that easy, and most folks never get close to 10,000 rounds, let alone 50k.
 

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PS: I love the comments that a barrel is going to wear out... Right. Who here has shot 50,000 rounds out of their 5.56/.223? Ever? Even a mellonite treated barrel will handle that easy, and most folks never get close to 10,000 rounds, let alone 50k.
I did some more research on Melonnite.. I dont know where I got my original info from, but clearly I was wrong! Now I am very intrigued.. Hell, might be a sport in my future after all! :lol:
To kwg020: Sorry about my misrepresentation. You are right. Looks like Ruger might want to think about future business practices.
 

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Plus, if you've shot 50,000 rounds you've spent at least $10,000 on ammo. Is a $200 re-barrel going to hurt your pocketbook that much?
 

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ARHG!! Stop surrounding me with logic! Irrational.. thinking.. cant..
 
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