:2guns: have i got a load for you! i shot a 3 shot group at 100 yards less than 1/2" (.450" to be exact). i got the load from a friend and he said it shot good in two other 14" .223's also. it's with BLUE DOT powder. it works great for p doggin, i hear. low barrel heat for lots of shooting. i like it because it is low in recoil and allows me to use a 4x12 rifle scope on my 14" .223 barrel. 13.5gr of blue dot w/40gr nosler balistic tip, cci-br-4 primer, win. brass. pressure builds rapidly, so work up in very small increments. it shows no pressure signs in my barrel but all are different. approximately 2900fps in friends barrels.