[pellertpale]

Just purchased the dragunov chaote stock from deta force for my ranch rifle and was not impressed it is cheap and not drop in. My only problem then is the fact that delta only gives you credit so I'm looking at the butler creek non-folder folder, but I was just wondering if anybody had experience with this stock and know if I have to remove the stock liner and is it the right length for the butler as oppossed to cheap choate. I had also purchased a PMI mag 40 rd. after all the nice things I had heard, but mine was damaged after ONE cycle of the bolt. The mag was inserted with the bolt closed, pulled bolt back, let bolt slide closed and it bent the lips down in front and up in back. Some said it was the mag latch being to short. It was a sloppy fit. It was a worthless product, and I will stick with the masen 10 rds they are sweet.

P.S. It is a 196 series i think.....its at home I'm at work...but it is a SS/RR:2guns: thanx for the feed back!!

 

[cajungeo]

Welcome to the forum pellertpale. Sorry to hear about your luck. Most places will let you return an item, but charge a restocking fee. That mag musta been defective, I'd send it back too.

I'm shure some of our members can help you with the Butler creek stock. I have a Hogue on mine. You can also click on the search button (upper right), and enter Butler Creek, several posts should come up.

I try to take in a large gun show now, and then to keep up with things. The one in Houston is pretty big. I try before I buy if possible. Now that you found us you can ask before you buy, it could save ya some grief.

 

[cw2go]

I think most new stocks will require the metal liners to be installed. Buy the hardware if you want to quickly swap between the stocks. Buying a non-folding folder is the worst of both worlds -- not recommended. The folder is very convenient for pack size, but pretty awkward when open compared to a non-folder.
I have also seen a lot of warnings here and elsewhere about buying from Delta -- higher prices, some low-quality products, and poor customer service suggest it is not a good choice. Brownells, Midway, or Cabalas are three respected alternatives.

While on the topic of stocks:
Has anyone compared the Hogue, Ramline, and Ruger factory Synthetic Stocks against each other for tight fit/lockup, good ergonomics, and weight? I'd like to hear some opinions, since I'm in the market for a synthetic.

Hogue looks like the heaviest, and Ramline the lightest....

-- cw

 

[cajungeo]

CW, now I had to go weigh my stocks on my bathroom scales. (zeroed, with one eye closed to eliminate paralax). My Hogue weighed 1.75# (bedded), while my origional wood stock weighed 1.5# (unbedded). Further comparing the 2 stocks, the wood stock has about 3/4 of the weight in the butt. The Hogue stock about 1" longer, is balanced at the trigger area.

Good point you brought up. For offhand shooting a little heavier fwd is better as you can stay on the bull longer. So my Hogue should shoot better than my wood stock, if both were bedded. Don't know about the other stocks.

 

[BigUglyOne]

Bought the Mini-14/30 Ranch Adjustable Rear Sight from Delta ... what a piece of junk - it's made out of plastic
:2guns:

 

[AF-Dude]

Did the Hogue come with the liner that pellertpale mentioned, or did you have to install one? I'm looking at getting one, so just want to know if there's anything extra that I need.
Thanks

 

[pellertpale]

I spoke with a lady a BC and she said the stocks are only missing the handguard, and it required no fitting, that it really is drop-in . So if I find out otherwise call her.

 

[bushwack]

The Hogue Overmolded stock doesn't use the stock reenforcement liner, the barreled receiver fits right into the stock itself & on mine it's a very good fit. "Plastic" stocks can be molded to the exact shape of the receiver where wood can't.

Hope this helps
Bushwack

 

[BigUglyOne]

cajungeo


Does the aluminum bedding block in the Hogue stock mean that you don't have to glass bed it or would you recomend glassing it in ?

 

[cajungeo]

Both a synthetic, and wood stock can be bedded for a perfect fit to the receiver. The synthetic stocks are molded, where as the wood, and wood laminate stocks are machined. I have seen some stock makers on the web, have clone machines where it can duplicate your old stock, or cut one to your action, in wood or laminate wood.

BigOne, The Hogue ad is a little misleading. The alum. piller bedding "ONLY" applies to bolt actions. The semi-autos do not have the piller bedding. They can be bedded with a fiber glass/resin mixture, such as Brownells Acraglas Gel Kit (Green box)

The only thing you need for the Hogue stock, is the Forearm Liner from your old stock.

Pellertpale, you may also have to use the Forearm Liner from your old stock for the BC stock. It just snaps into place. If the BC has a hole in each side you can use the stock reinforcement from your old stock. Some stocks need it some don't, but all need the Forearm liner.