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Hi, all. I'm new to the forum and recently transfered to California and was recently forced to sell my pride and joy AR-15 even though I work for a large law enforcement agency. I beleive the mini is the next best thing however I have heard disturbing news about the new mini's. Can anyone confirm that the newer mini's do not except the high cap mags and if so what models and the cut off date. Any info. is much appreciated as I am now in the market to buy and was curious if I should buy new or used.
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Check out "What has ruger done, or not?" in the magazine forum.
Still sounds like a rampant rumor to me, time will tell!
 

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Hello Superbri, The Urban Legend concerning the newer Mini's is not true. I have 2 later models, and they both accept high cap mags. By the way, as a LEO can't you still have your AR even in this godforsaken state?

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Welcome to california bro- home of of the terminally left, alot of seriously bad drivers, high electric bills (when the electric works that is) and unfortunately....illegal H/C mags. Sorry dude, anything over ten rounds in the box is going to get you an insiders (er..ah..inmates) perspective of the very system you work for. Add to that pistol grips, flash suppressors, bayonet lugs and basically all you have left is the mini 14/30 with a 5-10 round clip. Talk to your gun shop folks about what you can do...the kooks in Sacramento are always amending stuff and it's tough to keep up with. On that note: what is the real difference btw/ a muzzle break, stablizer and/or flash hider??????? They all look the same to me. But dude while you're at it - do give the Mini 30 a going-over. It sold me.
 

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Welcome Superbri, it looks like the jury is still out on whether Ruger modified there new mini's not to except Hi cap mags. To my way of thinking if they had narrowed the mag well then the mini wouldn't accept the std 5 rd mag either. It dosen't matter how long a mag is, it just hangs out. Only the upper 2" goes into the mag well. My 5 rnd, and 30 rnd measure .830" wide. To make a 5 rnd narrower it would have to hang out as the rds would be single stacked, not stagger stacked. For more opinions click on:
http://www.perfectunion.com/forums/showthr...=&threadid=1635
 

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It seemed obvious and simple to check, so I just cycled a complete set of a 5, 10, 20, 30 and 40 rounder through a 3-week old, 196-series Mini-14 Ranch Rifle.

Every mag fit. Ruger and aftermarket.

I'm calling BS on the magazine rumor.

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My new Mini-14 that I bought in January (196-series) works just fine with the factory 5-round, John Masen 10-round, and PMI 20-round mags.
 

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Thanks for all the replies, it's good to hear they didn't change the mini as well. As far as LEOs in Kali the DOJ in Kali had an exemption period until April 2002 if you could supply letterhead from the head honcho of the dept. I work occasionaly with some ATF agents and they informed me that it didn't mean your immediate supervisor put the very head of the dept.. It was too late for me regardless and I sincerely doubt the head of my agency would have sighned it anyway. Good news is most of the ATF agents I deal with feel the same way as you guys about the Kali gun laws and are gun nuts themselves.:rapid:
 

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My dealer Crouses dept Store must of got something he wasnt supposed to get yet. I truly held a mini-14 in my hand and tried to insert the magazine a Promag 10rd mag,it truly would not go in. I took one of my mags to the store and tried it, and it wouldnt fit either. I told Carl,a salesman about the controversy over this and he said give them this number I will tell them.Jokenly I said na wouldnt do that to you.He replied no go ahead really. I am tempted. But I think whats happened since Ruger has confirmed the change, then denied it over and over. I believe they want the wharehouses to sell all guns that except hi caps first then you will start seeing the narrowed mag well ones on the shelf. I dont think my dealer was supposed to recieve those rifles yet.Due to fear of a boycot. I love Ruger products, I own nearly every gun Ruger has made,as they are reliable well built firearms. But if you look back Bill Ruger had a hand in the 10rd handgun law. I guess only time will tell. Sure hope the two Minis at my dealers were made wrong,let me correct that the two guns I tried out, he had recieved several and said they were all like that. But it dont change the fact Ruger confirmed the change.Then denied it.More than once.
 

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Would you just quit........

There is more to just changing the opening, to retool for this is not even logical.......let alone the other things involved in this.

I find it amazing you and your (1) dealer nationwide is the only receiver of this firearm. I deal in Rugers among others too and I know of no dealers who have received one or have been made aware of them. Well guarded secret.........doubtful.

Just quit it, you are starting to look foolish. LTS
 

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Now, before this gets out of hand...

Lets just wait and see. I have no reason to believe Ruger would do this either, but I also have no reason to believe that Rugster is lying about his experience. Maybe it was just a QA issue or something...

If this escalates, I will remove the post.

Rugster, is there any way you can get a hold of these other Mini-s and measure the dimensions of the mag wells?
 

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Actually,
I have trouble putting in a Promag stainless into my Mini. I have posted this before. It takes several different attempts to get it to seat correctly....The latest series #195 #196 which I have one of each, both take high cap mags. There is a world of difference between Ruger, PMI, and Masen mags and then all of the rest. The quality drops down by huge steps after these three makers.....



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Larry, I remember reading a post---I believe from last oct or nov, someone bought some mags, same brand in stainless, and blue. The blue mags fit well, but they said the stainless ones were thicker, and had trouble latching them. Are your stainless mags too thick? You can measure them with a precision scale or calipers, or lay 1 blue, and 1 stainless flat on the table, using a straight edge to measure? My ruger blue is .832" at the thickest point. If this is not the problem, it could be the short mag latch problem on the newer mini's, Mike of Oregon described in the Mag talk forum. http://www.perfectunion.com/forums/showthr...=&threadid=1540 Am curious as to which your problem is? The only problem I have is with a full mag loading with the bolt closed. So I developed the habit of leaving a couple rds out of the mag or leaving the bolt open from the last round. My mini is a 196 SS Ranch.
 

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Satan2655, with all due respect.....this BS from the same person has been spread to several sites with the same results. Million`s have seen it and the story is always enforced by this dealer and the phone number is always offered......but never given. If you wish to remove this thread, do so now.....because this is pure BS and nothing more. I have seen this for months and each time (whether original or not...the poster) has NEVER proved it, provided pictures or anything else. I deal in Rugers and am in contact with dealers across this vast country every day. Logical thought.....I mean "really".......Think it through!!!!

It`s always waged, cause of Bill Rugers 10 round crud from years back......to give it some legs. I guess now we will have "PRE-MAGAZINE RUGER MINI`s" This is a KING SIZE LOAD and nothing more. Regards LTS
 

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"Below is another sample of this BS"


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Did Ruger redesign the Mini-14??? New Topic Topic Locked

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Chris8161
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154 Posts Posted - 05/17/2002 : 07:22:54
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I keep seeing information on this board that Ruger has redesigned the Mini-14's so that they will not accept any of the preban hi cap 20, 30 or 40 round mags. Is this fact or fiction?

Chris8161
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328 Posts Posted - 05/17/2002 : 12:28:18
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YESsir they did modify the mini-14 where it will not accept any type of HI CAP MAG. I have seen it with my own eyes and talked to Ruger about it. I did talk to a young lady that answers the phone again last week, she said no we didnt change anythng. I politely ask her to double check, she returned to the phone and apoligized. She told me what I already knew they had changed the mag well to make it narrower so Hi Caps wont fit. None of any kind except L.E. But the mini-30 has not changed Ruger never made a Hi Cap for it so they were all aftermarket made from the beginning. So it will still take the pre Ban mags that are plentyful. You can give them a call and ask Ruger about it, if they tell you they have not redesighned it ask the rep to double check. Heres the no. 1-603-865-2442.

Rugster

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554 Posts Posted - 05/17/2002 : 12:43:27
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Did they happen to say why they redesigned it, other than to shoot themselves in the foot?


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154 Posts Posted - 05/17/2002 : 15:29:47
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OK, I just got off the phone with a supervisor/manager at Ruger. I asked him if the design had been changed and he said ABSOLUTLEY NOT TRUE, all current production Mini-14's will still accept any preban 20, 30 or 40 round magazine made for the rifle. I asked him if there were plans for the future to make this change and he said ABSOLUTELY NOT. Ruger has no plans to redesign this rifle to make it accept only five or ten round mags. Rugster, you said you saw proof of this? Can you describe it, did you try a preban mag in the rifle? What kind of mag was it that you tried, if you remember? Thanks for any more info you could supply.

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210 Posts Posted - 05/17/2002 : 18:03:19
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I still won't believe it till I see it. IF they did do the insane, they just committed suicide. And IF they did, those who have the NORMAL mini's should keep it cause it's value will only go up. I know that some AK's have already changed to single stack mags so it won't accept the hi-cap double stacks but think it's stupid for Ruger to follow. I would imagine it's gonna cost about the same to mfr the mini, but they have to sell it for a couple hundred dollars less because people won't buy it because it won't take hi-caps. How many mini 14 owners (including CA) have hi-caps? I would say most, if not all. Dumb, dumb, dumb. GD
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This is the second time rugster has posted this nonsense. Look at the 2002 Ruger catalog. Check out the magazine section. There is only one magazine listed for the Mini-14. There is no mention of a "Pre-2002" magazine and a "Post-2001" magazine, as there would have to be if there were a new magazine pattern.

While William Ruger is the one responsible for the magazine limits we now endure, and his mindset might still be thinking along these lines, I cannot see it being done. Why would it? The Mini-14 (no matter when made) is not an evil "assault weapon" and is sold with only 5-round magazines. Most antis probably do not know there are evil high capacity magazines available for it. The sale of the Mini-14 would essentially stop if they would not accept high capacity magazines. The less expensive AR-15 clones would eat their lunch.

I was at the 2002 SHOT Show and saw nothing changed about the Mini-14 I inspected. There was no literature mentioning the change at the display. No representative mentioned any such change.


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806 Posts Posted - 05/17/2002 : 20:32:23
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I have to second everything JudgeColt just said.

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If Ruger changed the mini-14 so it would not take high cap mags they would be cutting their nose off to spite their face.I would think that the sales of new mini-14's would fall off the chart and everyone would only look at thee older one's.


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328 Posts Posted - 05/18/2002 : 00:42:30
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Fellows I have been sitting here reading this topic over and over for about 30 minutes. I was at my favorite gun shop buying another firearm, when the owner of the shop who I have dealt with for years. He had got a shipment of mini-14s in that day. He ask me to come in the back of the store, he handed me a mini-14 and said what do you think of that. I was admiring the gun,I am a fan of the mini14 and 30s. He then gave me a ten round mag, I dont know what the brand was, but he said insert it. I began to insert the mag, it would not began to go in. He said their all like that, as he handed me another gun. I tried it as well same result. I can say I had a lump in my throat,as I watched him sell a used mini-14 for more than a new one cost.The sound of disappointment from inside the store still echoes in my ears.My friend the shop owner is very knowlageable about firearms, as he has been in business about 35 years, and no he's not a crook. I had no reason to doubt him but I could not accept what Ruger had done. So I called Ruger and ask the guy on the phone about the change,and he immediately confirmed my night mare. The topic came up here and there was some disbelief, and I could not blame it. So I call Ruger again and spoke to a nice young lady and she said there was no change made. I politely ask her to double check,she came back on the line and said the change had been made. I have been back in the gunshop several times since,and the owner still believes what we had found out. The only explanation I can come to tonight is maybe he got a mini-30 mag mixed up and thats why it wouldnt go in. But that dont explain my two conformations from Ruger. But you can bet monday, as this friday night I will come to a definate conclusion. If I have misinformed any one I sincerly apoligise. I hope it is wrong information I will go buy another mini-14 to go with the ones I have. I hope I come up with a different answer I just cant see Ruger conforming the change twice. But If they have not been changed the Gun shop owner should knock at least $100.00 off the price of the gun for my trouble, I certainly will buy another, just from what I hope is just a scare. And I will take my own preban mag to try. Once again if I gave inaccurate information I did study the subject before I gave it out,and I truly am sorry. And I would appreciate someone else also checking with Ruger I still cant figure that one out. Or why someone has not reinformed the gun shop that there has been no change. Ill be happy to be wrong!!!

Rugster

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170 Posts Posted - 05/18/2002 : 01:21:27
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Rugster being a big fan of the mini 14 and mini 30's I would find it amazing if you can't tell the difference between those mags. Look nothing alike to me at all.
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210 Posts Posted - 05/18/2002 : 04:23:53
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Boy, I can't believe how much fuss this subject brought out - again.
Those who have a mini 14 can spot a mag mile away, so confusing it with a mini 30, well, I don't know. Lets just say that everyone makes a mistake here and there. Hey, if Rugster ends up being right, we'll all have to buy him beer.

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1264 Posts Posted - 05/18/2002 : 05:29:34
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Call 'em yourself. Let us know what you find...

This is the only Crouses Dept store I could find in the whole state of Virginia:

Crouses Harold Department Store
136 West Lee Highway
Chilhowie, VA 24319

276-646-8861
 

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I'll re-post a question I asked on 5/23 in the other thread Rugster started on this issue:

"So, is it just the wood/synthetic stock area in the mag well that's constricted or is it the metal frame re-inforcement or is is that part of the trigger group that is foward the trigger and frames the mag opening?
What are the serial #'s? Does anyone have a higher # that aftermarket mags work?
I just bought a new one but I believe is was sitting in the stores rack for some time with no problemo. I also just rec'd a syth stock from the factory yesterday with no problemo.

We need details! "

http://www.perfectunion.com/forums/showthr...d=7595#post7595

When no details were given, I became skeptical! ;)
 

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"And said insert it, I tried and it would not even began to go inside the mag well. He opened another box and handed me another gun. I tried to insert the mag, but you could tell by looking it would not fit and I tried with the same results as before. And yes I know that some pre ban Hi Caps dont fit well. "But there was no way to put anything in it except the factory 5rd mag." He said to me I got a shipment in today and there all like that."

This is a quote from rugster....above. Now just how smart do you really have to be.....to see the flaw in it????

I have no need to call any (1) shop in the USA to verify a untruth. I just received a new dealers catolog from Ruger......new mini`s and magazines. Let`s just look at a few simple things.

First, retool to make the rifle/stock.
Second, retool to make new magazines.

Now anyone with any marketing experience or production experience knows, you don`t just flip a switch and make it happen. This would be a "brand new" production rifle and it`s magazine too. Now you would have to run two seperate lines.....that`s right "TWO LINES" for two different rifles, why???
because you have to make replacement parts for both. Logic does not dictate this and that`s needed........logic.

Beyond than, the very notion that this/these "rare" mini`s accept factory 5 round Ruger magazines......says volumns. If it accepts "FACTORY RUGER FIVE ROUND MAGAZINES"......Guess what????? Is this really that hard to see????

This is one of the biggest steaming loads since the gun show loop-hole. LTS
 
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