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I have a Burris XTS-135 mounted in a scout config on my Tactical using an Ultimak scout rail:



It's fun, I like it, but now I am going to see what else I can do.
I am upgrading to a 6-18x Nikon Mil-dot on my Rem 700:



so the current 3-9X Nikon buckmaster will not have a home:



It is the perfect time to experiment with removing and reinstalling the Burris to see if it retains a reasonable zero (mounted using a Burris Tactical ring). I am also going to mount the Nikon using the factory Ruger rings, and I want to see how well THAT retains zero (if at all).

Honestly, the red dot (Burris) is fun, but with a 5moa dot @ 100 yards on a paper target is less than entertaining. I use 5" Shoot N See targets, and I can put 20 rounds on target, but that is the best I can do, since technically the dot is as big as the target. If when I get into 3 gun the dot will be perfect, as it is with shooting any hard target.

With the Nikon, I hope to see what the TRUE accuracy of the Mini is. After a living room trigger job and stock bedding I have gotten a shade under 2 moa with iron sights. With the scope I hope to see what the rifle is truly capable of.
 

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I have tried a 3-9 scope on my Mini, its fun but it pretty much anchors you to a shooting bench. The Mini is meant to be a carbine, shot from standing. I've got a 2MOA Aimpoint red dot and I can shoot much more accurately with it than open sights. Really its the ideal optic for a Mini.
 

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i have a 2+7+32 pistol scope on mine and it works really good for me.up to 39 coyotes for the year the red dots like you said cover to much.
 

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I'm using one of the new 2-7 Redfield Revolution scopes made by Leupold. I am very happy with it.


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2-7 Leupold here on a 195 stainless Ranch, works fine.

Had a 3-9 Leupold compact on a 581 tactical for a while; that was nice too, but traded it away (along with the 186) & kept the 195, which suits me just fine.
 

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I have the Nikon on the rifle now, but I am unsure what I am going to do in the long run. I am curious to see if the Nikon will hold zero if I remove and replace it to the receiver using the factory rings.

The mini seems far less nose heavy without the XTS out on the barrel, and i find it more comfortable this way. I am going to borrow my friends fastfire II and see how I like the rifle with that optic.

At this point I have no idea what I am ultimately going to do. Keep everything and switch back and forth? Keep the Nikon and Ultimak, sell the XTS and get a Fastfire instead? I was even thinking of getting a GG&G or Wiegand rail for the receiver, and use it to mount either optic. I am a bit pessimistic on selling the Ultimak because I think aside from the rail it provides, it also acts as a barrel stiffening device and heat sink.

Who knows at this point....got get some more trigger time on it and see.
 

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You will like the 6-18 Nikon on your 700 I just stuck one on my tikka .223 and its a great fit for 300-400 yard shots I went with the nikoplex reticle. I had a 2-7x32 redfield on my mini14 a great fit out to 100yrds for me but with the triggerjob, bedding, adjustable gas block retorqued I wanted to stretch it more so I put a 4-12x40 redfield I had on my tikka on the mini. I losely fired a 4inch 20rd group the other night off a iPod at 200yrds with xm193. I think you will like the 3-9on there for varmint hunting and target shooting its a good fit. I disagree with whoever said a 3-9 limits you to a bench I grew up with a 3-9 on a 10-22 shooting gophers and muscrats freehand and mine along with most peoples deer rifles sport a 3-9 andI haven't seen a benchrest while hunting.
 

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It is all a matter of how steady a person is. I used an elcheapo Bushnell Sportview 3-9x32 on my 10/22 when I was a kid and it did fine.

Just for kicks I am going to borrow my friends Burris Fastfire to see how low it sits on the Ultimak rail.
 

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You will like the 6-18 Nikon on your 700 I just stuck one on my tikka .223 and its a great fit for 300-400 yard shots I went with the nikoplex reticle. I had a 2-7x32 redfield on my mini14 a great fit out to 100yrds for me but with the triggerjob, bedding, adjustable gas block retorqued I wanted to stretch it more so I put a 4-12x40 redfield I had on my tikka on the mini. I losely fired a 4inch 20rd group the other night off a iPod at 200yrds with xm193. I think you will like the 3-9on there for varmint hunting and target shooting its a good fit. I disagree with whoever said a 3-9 limits you to a bench I grew up with a 3-9 on a 10-22 shooting gophers and muscrats freehand and mine along with most peoples deer rifles sport a 3-9 andI haven't seen a benchrest while hunting.
I agree on several points . the 6x18 nikon is great I have the midway exclusive buckmaster with mildot reticle on my howa varmint supreme 223. shooting small varmints almost seems to easy .
as for the 3x9 tying a person to a bench I also disagree . my 458 socom wears a leupold 2x7 and I managed to drop a small buck on the run through a honey suckle thicket at about 25 yds . 3x is plenty low enough magnification for the deer woods.
 

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The more magnification on the scope the steadier you may have to be for off hand shooting. I would be good if you hunted from a stand or shot at prairie dogs from a table or bipod set up. I like the Nikon and Leupold 3x9, I stalk hunt a lot and will keep it on lower magnification but when I go to prairie dog shooting, the 9 power works great.
 

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I currently am using my iron sights however- with hunting season approaching, I'll go back to my Bushnell holosight, a 1 inch dot. I have tried a 3x9 and it worked fine but the holosight with the 1 inch dot is much faster, coyotes at 200 yards are no match or a crow at 100. I did have the 5 inch dot and its just to big at long ranges.
 
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