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Im new to this board (first post infact) now all around the net i'v seen that the mini-14 is a very inaccurate weapon , i'v had my mini-14 for 3 years now and i find it to be very acurate. i hit a 3 in. circle from 500 yards with a cheap 20$ scope

please reply to me if you feel a Mini-14 meets your accuracy needs i am curious to see what other people think

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Last time I was out all I could get was a 4 in.group at 150 yrds.I have a harris bipod and a leapers 3x9 scope on mine and have been playing around with some hand loads.The hand loads don't seem to shoot any better than the cheapy's but I'll keep trying.A buddy of mine gets the same results with his.If your getting a 3 in.group at 500 yrds you better keep that one forever.
 

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Both my Mini 14 and my Mini 30 are downright fun as all bloody hell. However, these rifles are Carbine lengths and powers; you will never have extreme accuracy nor the extended range. But yours sounds to be the exception, probably made on a very good day, when the workers were neither drunk nor tired (ie. not on a Friday or Monday).
If you want accuracy, get an M1A or M14. If you want reliable fun with almost no slamfires, hang-fires, or jamming, stick with the Rugers. In urban tactical situations, it is an excellent weapon due to it's reliability and versatility for higher capacity magazines. While I wish someone out there would finally make a great chrome-lined barrel, match triggers (light pull), and match oriented sights, i'm not going to hold my breath. ruger is missing it's demographics, not realizing its potential as one of the few remianing sellers of "SA's" in the nation, and one of only three or four legal in CA. Ruger is dropping the ball with the Mini's; converting to 5 round mags only when ten are legal and not following up on the potentila accuracy of the Mini's. They have kep it "old" and in doing so, have deprived the public of one of the greatest rifles of all time. It has the same action as the Sprinfield M1A;l it CAN be made to be better,it just needs better sights, and a much better accurized barrel. It would hurt sales on the Sprinfield Scout.
 

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Hitting a 3" target at 500 yards is nothing short of amazing even using a $4000 bolt action customize rifle.

I assume that you mean you hit it with every shot right? Hitting it once out of every few shots, every magazine or every few boxes of ammo is something less than amazing.

I think the world record is about 5-6" at 1000 yards - you're little $350 carbine is shooting near world record groups at 500 yards.

My mini-14 will almost do 3" groups at 100 yards. My $1400 M1A rifle with $800 scope/mount will do 2-3" groups at 300 yards from a concrete benchrest. I have a heavy barrel .22-250 bolt action rifle with a Timmey Trigger, using handloaded ammo I can do 2" 5 shot groups most of the time at 300 yards - weather depending. But not anywhere near 3" groups at 1500 feet (1/4 of a mile).
 

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A colleague of mine had a Mini-14 that he claimed "would shoot under a quarter" (coin) at 200 yds. Now a quarter is about .955" where I come from. He claimed he could cover his groups with a quarter at that range! Now that figures out to a group of about .731" from center to center at 200 yds!

I think his tale tops yours, SniperWolf! ;-)

Regards! DaMan

[This message has been edited by DaMan (edited 07-18-2000).]
 

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My brother who was a skeet shooing champion , could throw a silver dollar up in the air and nail it through the middle with the iorn site on a Mini-14

so i can imagin if you can compensate for bullet drop, wind , the distance and other assorted factors i suppose he could hit a quarter at that range

( but if i were you i wouldent really beleive him until i saw it)

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This should give you an idea of the accuracy you can expect from the Mini-14. Harris was an engineer contracted by Ruger to try to find some low cost improvements for the Mini's accuracy problems.

http://www.iea.com/~fgrig/gun/mini14.htm

Regards! DaMan

PS - Keep in mind that Harris' original article was reposted by a fan. It has some typos in it. In the third paragraph where Harris talks of "average quality" M193/M855, he meant a Mean Radius of 1.4 - 1.6" as 200 yds. (not 1.6 - 1.6"!) I read his original article.

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With my K-Mini-14/5 using factory peep sights, I average about 9" groups at 100 yards. I don't think I can improve since I could barely see the target.
 

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i think i figured out why i have such great accuracy , last night i was striping my rifle when i was looking into the barral for obsrtuctions , i noticed that is had at least 3 more rifleing twists improving accuracy i guess the guy bought it from had it customized , it also has a match trigger

also to clear up the scope i got it a gun show , the scope is 250$ brand new

(i also used hand loaded sniper rounds boat tail FMJ (full metal jacket)
 

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Well at 1 turn in twelve inches then the barrel must be about 54" long, right. Gimme a break my mini would never do any better than 3" at 100 yds. until I had a conversion done by ARS. Now it will shoot .6-.7's and that was after putting a grand in it. Ruger starts with junk barrels and turns them to fast causing heat distortion which effects accuracy.

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Runner... do you have a web address for ARS? Can you buy a complete rifle from them with a bull barrel already installed?

I love my Mini-14 but 4" at 100 yards (barrel cold) is the best I have ever done with it.
 

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I'll make a small wager with the guy who claims to shoot three inch groups at five-hundred yards with his Mini. I'll bring $5000 cash and meet you anywhere in the U.S. and will pay my own way, assuming that you'll also put up $5000 and reimburse me for my travel expenses, if you fail to shoot a five-shot, 3" group at 500 yds. I don't care if you're shooting an accurized Mini or not, I just won't believe it until I see it, and I'm willing to gamble $5000 to see it done!!

BTW, anybody who things that a skeet shooter's hitting a quarter in the air relates in any way to the Mini's accuracy doesn't know didle about long-range accuracy. There are guys who can hit bb's in the air, and they ain't shooting 3" groups at 500 yds with a Mini.

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Signal 07,
Accuracy Rifle Systems
(915) 362-6840

I do not believe that they have a website. If they do, it has been recent. You can call, get a pricelist sent to you. Yes, they do sell finished rifles.
 

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Walter, I don't think you're going to get any takers on that bet! Even the guy over on AR-15.com, who claims .2" groups at 100yds. with his Mini, is not going to take you up on that bet!

Regards! DaMan
 

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I "claimed" a best shot group of .220". I "claimed" .5s, .3s on a good day. That was out of a rifle with $1700.00 invested, including a $500.00 Leupold. That was with hand loaded ammo with the brass sorted by weight, =/-.5%, with match bullets, and loads that have been worked up,tuned to that rifle. Theoreticly my rifle could do 3" at 500 yards. In practice, no. The twist is 1-12", too slow to stabilize anything over 63 grains. For that range a 75, 77, or an 80 grain match projectile is needed. A 69 grain bullet might do it, but it would be much more suseptable to the slightest wind. And, I don't really think I'm that good, to consistently print 3" groups at 500 yards. That may seem to translate to .6s at 100 yards, but in reality it is a much harder thing to accomplish. Especially as windy as it has been around here!
 

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DavidM. I've never seen a Mini shoot in the 2's and 3's, but I can see that a custom rig like yours might well be capable of that kind of shooting. There's an old guy at our local range that has one of those Odessa-accurized Minis. He claims about .5" groups at 100 yds. I've never seen him do it, but he's a straight shooter, (pun intended) and I believe what he says.

My experience at long-range shooting reflects the sentiments that you expressed about bullet weights, etc. Sniperwolf didn't indicate to me, in his post, the kind of craftsmanship that you indicate in yours.

Now, I'm going to make you Mini-shooters laugh and maybe be a little envious at the same time. I just got back from the range, where I shot a 3.67", five-shot group @ 100yds. with my G21. That's off of a plastic Midway rest, shooting .40 Supers through a threaded, compensated, Accu-Match barrel, and with adjustable Meprolight sights. I was using bulk 180gr. fmj Rem. bullets, ahead of 13.5gr. of AA#7. I'd go to the trouble of posting a picture of the group, but you guys could always claim that I shot it at 15'!!
 

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It was 1942 and we we had just landed on the beach in Guadacanal. The PT's rode right up to shore and we unloaded are packings and supplies. We immediately went in land to set up camp. While a couple of the men fell off into broken sleep, I stayed alert; I could never understand how anybody could have slept through the artillery explosions and buzz of Mitsubishis running low through the onyx sky. Occassionally you would catch a glimpse of one against the flash of a scatter-bomb, a silohuette, like a large bat gliding across the smoke of a campfire only to dissapear before it is recognized. It was always the new guys; they could sleep through anything. I sat in a hole keeping a sharp eye on the perimeter. Sarge and myself took watch that first night on the island. We saw and heard the fighting, but at that point in time it was several leauges away. The Sarge pulled out a Lucky Strike just to suck on it; couldn't light it as the glow, smoke and even the smell could give up our our dig, spelling instant death. We sat. Waiting. Killing time while watching time killing. Hours went by until the sky was monochromatic with an early morning saphire, painting everyone of us with a deeper, deadlier blue than that of the water in the River Styx itself. Then a faint crack, a bamboo shaft slapping against another. A shape, maybe not even human moving through the wild grassy fence. Then another shape, definately a man, and another, maybe 30 shapes, the lead man chopping through the reeds like a skilled Samurai. They moved on in a line, plodding toward us nearly 500 yards away, the intensity of their charge narrowing, our heightened mental interpretation of the distance translating that stretch of mud to five feet. I slowly reached back around my waist, tightening the cinch of my sling to bring my rifle around to my chest. Hunkering down, I brought the rear sights of my Marine issue Ruger Mini-14 to my right eye. I slowly licked my thumb to wet the front sight as I always did while hunting for wild Boar back in Indiana with my old Springfield. I lined up my barrel to the man farthest to the back of the line from which I could draw a sight picture. Just then, a horror came over all of us as we were jolted by a racking sound. A Private, very green and unready for the situation, but alert enough to spot the troupe moving toward us, yanked hard on the jammed charging handle of his experimental Stoner M-16 to ready the rifle. Every head in that ominous dragon snapped a look of intent in our direction. It was a horrible assembly of grimaces; faces bent on delivering a message of death. In that instant, I saw their schlocky Nambu rifles take aim at our makeshift camp of soldiers. Little did they know that we were well supplied with our Ruger Mini-14's, a little known fact about WWII. (Just like you didn't hear about the Northrop B2 Stealth Bomber or F-117 fighter until 20 years after they were already flying!) Anyway, I turned to alert the Sarge. As he turned to me we were both shocked as his unlit cigarette turned to powder inches from his nose, having met a 7.7mm bite of lead, wasting a scarce commodity in our current accomodations. Well that did it! Now we were really pissed off! The Sarge and I both turned our Mini-14's in there direction and took quick aim; on the very first round I shot a slug right into the muzzle of the eighth Japanese soldier in the line; his rifle was rendered useless. On the next round, I took careful sight on the man next in line and shot the mag release on that asian pea-shooter, knocking the magazine of his Type 5 to the ground. Out of the corner of my eye I could see the Sarge plinking shots, knocking several of the T-14 pistols carried by these men out of their holsters, cashing them lost in the tangled roots of the high brush. As the men fumbled for their pistols, I took advantage of their baffoonery and continued to obliterate them with my Ruger; I took the sights off one of their rifles, front and back, while I shot off the bolt handle of one man's Arisaka type 99. Next we bagan to clip off their belts as their pants came loose and fell around their ankles, causing them to trip over each other. Next I put a hole directly through one man's canteen, spilling his water supply all about his pants; either that or he had wet himself, I am not sure. Ol' Sarge shot a round just at the feet of one clod standing sideways which broke the poor man's shoelaces, causing him to trip over his own feet into the jungle's low, muddy water. After seeing this and not to be outdone, I couldn't resist shooting the corner of another fellow's eyeglasses, just at the frame, causing them to fall off his face into two pieces. I have never seen a man turn and run so fast. He was quickly followed by all of his friends. When all was said and done, both Sarge and myself still had plenty of rounds each left in our 30 round magazines. I had ten left, the Sarge had nine. To this day, I still kid the Sarge that he has a problem with wasting ammo.

Sarge and I still talk about that day, with our faithful Ruger Mini-14's, fighting off the Japanese, turning them back in their own tracks, and not taking a single life. Yep. Sometimes I turn to Ol' York (the Sarge) and say "Remember those early experimental Ruger Mini-14's Yorky?" and his eyes light up and he drifts off in silence, with a grin so big, the only sound you can hear is the Texas wind whistling through his teeth.

Hey, if you are going to tell tall tales about Ruger Mini-14's, tell a good one!!!!!!!

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