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I have searched high and low for firearms/ammo industry information and finally found what appears to be reliable info. Here's the link and post. Please post any other sources you may find.

Anyone who ordered powder from Midway - THR

Valley Guns in WV posted this on their FB:

Date: Thursday, January 31, 2013, 7:25 PM

Interesting status report from Valley Guns in West Virginia:

Status of gun industry

Attention F.B. fans: to follow will be several IMPORTANT Info updates about the status

of the gun industry currently, followed by an INVENTORY UPDATE: We traveled to

Texas for Industry meetings concerning the shortages, here's what we were told.

Smith & Wesson-is running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols.

They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.
RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.

FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1.
Remington-Maxed out!
Armalite: Maxed out.
DPMS: Can't get enough parts to produce any more product.
COLT: Production runs increasing weekly...bottle necked by Bolt carrier's.
LWRC:Making only black guns, running at full capacity...can't get enough gun quality steel
to make barrels.
Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind.
AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nation wide shortage of all
calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of
1 BILLION rounds produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are
third in line.
MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large quantities of magpul anytime soon.
RELOADERS... ALL Remington, Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo
FIRST. There are no extra's for reloading purposes... it could be 6-9 months before things
get caught up.
Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the coming months. Stay tuned,
we'll keep you posted...
Related commentary from Bob Owens:
They didn’t know when they’d be getting anything back in stock, from magazines to rifles to
pistols. Manufacturers were running full-bore, but couldn’t come close to keeping up with
market demand. It wasn’t just the AR-15s, the AK-pattern rifles, the M1As, and the FALs
that were sold out. It really hit me when I realized that the World War-era M1 Garands,
M1 carbines, and Enfield .303s were gone, along with every last shell. Ubiquitous Mosin-
Nagants-of which every gun store always seems to have 10-220-were gone.
So was their ammo. Only a dust free space marked their passing. I’ve never seen anything like it.
Every weapon of military utility designed within the past 100+ years was gone.
This isn’t a society stocking up on certain guns because they fear they may be banned.
This is a society preparing for war.
 

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Thank you for that. First credible info Ive seen since this crap started. This is just nuts, I cant believe they are thinking 6-9 months at this stage of it.
 

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Thank you for that. First credible info Ive seen since this crap started. This is just nuts, I cant believe they are thinking 6-9 months at this stage of it.
Here's my summary of the important points.

- Guns on their way
- Ammo contracts to LEO and military, public is SOL
- Raw materials in short supply, (China controls supply)
- Huge inflated prices for all
 

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I read all that when I coulda just waited for the summary?!?!?
Yep you did, but then again we wanted you to be a moderator but alas it hasn't come to pass. I would have personally endorsed you but the PU owner decided to let the socialists live.
 

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The last portion of your post mentioned Mosins were sold out too... have you noticed that at your local gun store as well? I never even thought about that.. I cant imagine a world without available Mosins
 

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I don't buy the ammo shortage excuse. Obama is cutting defense spending and things are winding down "over there." The military should be buying less ammo than at any time in the last 10 years.

As far as police - we also have fewer of them than we had 10 years ago. Most LEOs I know qualify 3, maybe 4 times a year. Many civilian shooters go through more ammo in one trip to the range than a lot of.LEOs go through in a year. Most LEOs I know say their depts are having trouble getting ammo too.
I think its panic and hoarding. Ammo companies got caught with their pants down and can't keep up. And its not just people wanting to be "prepared". A lot of greedy people are buying $1000s in ammo hoping to make a quick buck. One of my friends tried to order 15 AR mags when this panic first started. He doesn't need any - he said they were an "investment." I haven't been able to buy any mini 14 mags (I currently have NONE, except the factory 5 rounder) because of "investors" like him. We are our own worst enemy in this case.

One thing this situation has done is solve the "which ammo for SHTF" question. Answer: It doesn't matter. When SHTF, there won't be ANY ammo.
 

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Panic and hoarding or speculating. Since the government and law enforcement also see the massive increase in purchasing arms and ammo they are caching as well so that they will have an adequate supply. Even though military or LEO ammo is different in some respects it is identical to civi ammo in some respects so it uses a lot of the same parts or raw materials.

Reloading supplies have also been hit hard. I was asked by the owner of our range to talk with a gentleman about reloading. He had just ordered around $400 worth of just reloading equipment. I told him he might have problems finding powder and primers since we were already into the beginnings of the panic zone.
 

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The last portion of your post mentioned Mosins were sold out too... have you noticed that at your local gun store as well? I never even thought about that.. I cant imagine a world without available Mosins
I haven't seen any Mosins locally or at shows in the area. I did just get a M44 I've been looking for a while for on gunbroker, but the prices are getting pretty inflated there compared to what they used to be. 7.62x54r is still pretty available though so I've been buying that a lot lately.
 

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..and its all the common calibers frequently listed as good SHTF ammo that are especially hard to find. Who would've thought 22lr would be nonexistent everywhere.
Not me. I really screwed up and got caught flat footed on this one; the big plan was to have a presence in 7.62x51, 7.62x39. 5.56x45, 9x19, and .45acp so I could always find ammo. If I had gone to .40 S&W and .30-06 and skipped the others I would have been fine. Similar reasoning WRT the .22LR vs .22WMR. If I had only gone .22WMR I would have been fine, but figured that the .22LR was used everywhere and would be available everywhere.

When this panic ends, I plan to bump up my stocks of .22LR a lot. And maybe think about getting a new Garand.

All the best,
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Same here.

The two calibers I have that are interesting but I never thought would be always easy to find are .17hmr and 7.62x54r, but I can still get ammo for those, while I'm out of luck for my mini and .22s.

I've gone to the range with only a Mosin lately, just because I can still buy what I shoot there. No one is shooting ARs and Minis there anymore, and that's all it used to be.
 

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Same here.

The two calibers I have that are interesting but I never thought would be always easy to find are .17hmr and 7.62x54r, but I can still get ammo for those, while I'm out of luck for my mini and .22s.

I've gone to the range with only a Mosin lately, just because I can still buy what I shoot there. No one is shooting ARs and Minis there anymore, and that's all it used to be.
I'll probably be buying a new air pistol next month, and restarting my training around that and my RWS34. I went to the range yesterday and fired off 60x ctgs of .22LR - kind of cruddy stuff, not the good "save for a rainy day" stuff so lots of misfires. Pretty miserable really in that every shot now really does count so I had to keep reloading and trying the misfires 'til they all shot.

All the best,
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I don't buy the ammo shortage excuse. Obama is cutting defense spending and things are winding down "over there." The military should be buying less ammo than at any time in the last 10 years.
The military might be cutting back, but the likes of the USDA, IRS and DHS are arming up big time. As in buying hollow points by the millions. This is a society preparing for war. That's an ominous way to end a post. Hope we're ready.
 

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The military might be cutting back, but the likes of the USDA, IRS and DHS are arming up big time. As in buying hollow points by the millions. This is a society preparing for war. That's an ominous way to end a post. Hope we're ready.
I read an article where the Department of Education sent out a SWAT team to kick in the door of someone suspected of student loan fraud.. A situation where they could have just knocked. Scary times.
 
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