The other site where we meet and talk is obviously down!! (10:16PM est. 3/28/02) I just made a reply to a post here, hit the back button and ended up over there!!! It was still down though!! Anyway, a little friend of mine (17yrs old) called to tell me he made a confirmed kill measured with the rangefinder, at 348yds on a groundhog with his 17 REM!! I was as excited as he was! I'll have a hunting buddy from now on since he's found out how much fun it is!! The only thing about it is I'll have to outshoot him with one of the xp's!!! I'm up for the challenge!!!