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the combat roll makes you an uncommon target. Most enemies that say would easily hit you are the ones most likely to miss. How the combat roll works is that you are already behind another piece of cover to move to another piece of cover or blind pathway to flank your enemy before they even realized someone was moving.

S.T.A.R.S. Zombie Defense Firearms Training - YouTube 2:15 in this video shows core elements of head shot evasion maneuvers.

Since the head is the most critical target in combat its what you want to protect most. And we will all agree that dodging bullets is the best option.

So why not make your head the most difficult thing to hit if you have to move behind cover while getting shot at. At this video Syphon Filter 2 (Hard Mode) - Mission 8: C-130 Crash Site - YouTube 5:42, here we can see the effectiveness of these maneuvers into action.

Also, here is where we see the russian special forces attempt to imitate the same maneuvers while maintaining a kneeling position. (Much less effective for evasive tactics) Bizon submachinegun - YouTube

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Why is this coming up again?? XYYYYYLLLLOOOOOBBBBBB!!!!!!!
Its not, this is my argument on behalf of the Combat Rolls effectiveness.

Such I am making my point, In full that my skills in the combat roll maneuvers will not hurt, but will indeed help me in a SHTF scenario whenever that maneuver may need to be performed.
 

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Please clarify

Most enemies that say would easily hit you are the ones most likely to miss. How the combat roll works is that you are already behind another piece of cover to move to another piece of cover or blind pathway to flank your enemy before they even realized someone was moving.

Since the head is the most critical target in combat its what you want to protect most. And we will all agree that dodging bullets is the best option.
Interesting points, but I have some doubts about it's true effectiveness.

1. Could you provide any statistics to prove that most are likely to miss? Or are you simply speculating?

2. People are commonly trained to aim for center mass. By tucking and rolling you are placing your most critical target in the general vicinity of the point of aim. How or Why is this more effective than simply moving from point A to B as quickly as possible?

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Interesting points, but I have some doubts about it's true effectiveness.

1. Could you provide any statistics to prove that most are likely to miss? Or are you simply speculating?

2. People are commonly trained to aim for center mass. By tucking and rolling you are placing your most critical target in the general vicinity of the point of aim. How or Why is this more effective than simply moving from point A to B as quickly as possible?

Thanks.
Well gunshow thats an excellent point. Since that maneuver may be necessary to move from point a to point b as quickly as possible, it actually allows you to recover out of it the way you want to recover. Either to a spirit, dive etc. Statistically it can be proven by saying that a movoing target is more difficult to hit than a still target. thus if your head remains on the same height on the ground, and just moves to the side, it can be much easier to hit. Actually in the roll you are stretched out which presents an odd target. I used videos to prove how even computer aimed guns ahve trouble shooting a rolling target. food for thought
 

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I served as an MP and let me tell you, the "Tuck & Roll" tactic was never taught as an effect move against an active shooter it is a great way to get yourself killed.

Why is it that you NEVER see S.W.A.T , Police or anyother LEOS using this....Because it is useless and dangeous! End of story,

If you want to go rolling around on the ground with a hot weapon then be my guest, it's Gods way of thinning the herd!
You dont know that. you cant even do the combat roll.
 

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LOL I still haven't seen him doing this wearing REAL combat gear.. You know Flak,Kevlar, plates, extra ammo, food, water, ect ect. Wear a 120lb weight vest and try this.. then come talk..
 

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LOL I still haven't seen him doing this wearing REAL combat gear.. You know Flak,Kevlar, plates, extra ammo, food, water, ect ect. Wear a 120lb weight vest and try this.. then come talk..
Even a weight vest wouldn't immulate a combat load. That hydration bladder on top q plate is gonna cause a turtle effect. Not to mention an ifak in the small of your back, etc etc. Would you be willing to do it under fire? Even under fire from a paintball gun or airsoft gun? Try it and see what happens

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Lets see, a tall thin silhouette moving fast and changing directions randomly while shooting at you or a bundled up body rolling in a straight line and whose gun is temporarily out of commission. A semi skilled shooter with good reflexes with pop that rolling bundle 3 or 4 times and it won't matter where the bullets hit, ankle, shoulder, middle of the back, in the side perforating a kidney the roller will become disabled. Any fool willing to use it as a combat maneuver has been watching way to many Kung Fu movies.
 

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LOL Ya I know... I recommended the weight vest because I know he doesn't own half that combat gear.. And I didn't even add rockets/M240 ammo/grenades/ ect.. He would end up like a damn turtle laying on his back with all his widdle arms and legs wiggling trying to roll over..
 

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So anyways.. Instead of wasting YET ANOTHER thread about useless stupid ****....
How about that new movie "Olympus has fallen"? I actually kinda want to watch it..
I haven't seen that one yet, but I think it looks like a good one that I plan to pick up on blu ray. I refuse to go to the movies as long as they refuse to recogonize my right to carry a handgun legally

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LOL I still haven't seen him doing this wearing REAL combat gear.. You know Flak,Kevlar, plates, extra ammo, food, water, ect ect. Wear a 120lb weight vest and try this.. then come talk..
Vest and plates are too heavy to be practical for my tactics. i need to hit and move. Not sustain a drawn out fight.

I will be much more maneuverable than fools with plates and vests. I can dot hese rolls in a vest and backpack but i refuse plates or armor.
 

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There is just no talking with this guy, he has all the answers and he is here to agitate and that's about all.

I have yet to read one of his posts that has anything of substance to them.

Instead of trying to learn from Vets that were in actual combat he is hell bent on trying to find someone who will buy into his Rambo work out, I just pray he doesn't kill himself or someone else rolling around with a loaded weapon.

There is so much combined knowledge here and to waste it on childish antics is mind blowing!

I do admit that he is entertaining at times in his posts that should be in a forum all his own called
"What not to do with a live weapon".

May his God be his body armour because he's going to need all the help he can get.

My 2nd year in as an MP I was assigned a young hot shot like him, the kid came from Indiana and that is where we laid him to rest with military honors for getting himself killed during the apprehension of an armed deserter.
Cool story. but just because he failed doesnt mean i will.
 

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Yup, real cool story, wish I had a pic of his parents faces when we brought their son home in a crate for ya.

He was young, been playing army his whole life, couldn't wait to join up, did pretty good in basic & then had some problems with his AIT, thought he had developed some great moves the US Army was sure to adopt from his home made training.

He was given a direct order that would have saved his life, but he desided that he had a better way of apprehending a trained killer twice his age, well the bottom line is , because he did it his way he will forever be 23 years old.

I do not believe that you fully understand the weight of your home made tatics and the out come in real life fire fights, you really need to take a good hard look at what you'r doing, best of luck, you'll need it.

And by the way, if you ever have to see another human being in your sites I hope you can live with that person for the rest of your life because they will stick with ya until you draw your last breath.
Ill make sure to pray for them daily to realize what they had done in the afterlife and be very ashamed and guilty feeling.

May there be great sorrow, weeping and gnashing of teeth. Luke 13:28

"There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.
 

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Ill make sure to pray for them daily to realize what they had done in the afterlife and be very ashamed and guilty feeling.

May there be great sorrow, weeping and gnashing of teeth. Luke 13:28

"There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out.
Dude, I'll go out on a limb here. You need to seek professional help before it's too late.
 

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Why is this coming up again?? XYYYYYLLLLOOOOOBBBBBB!!!!!!!
ahhh, you rang Devildog?

oh yes..., I see our resident mall ninja has just shat out another nugget of playstation 3 spawned "wisdom"

ok guys - here is the deal, STARSdelta7 is either Back Again (Drache Teufel) or a sockpuppet anus buddy of his.

more than likely he's a friend and the two of them spend thier evenings giggling like little schoolgirls at thier own silly antics while they jerk each other off, perform mutual prostate massage, maybe do a bit of docking, or other nefarious gay activities.

don't let them/him bother you. by all mean go ahead and rip on him/them... but don't even try and debate the subject (whatever it is that he/they come up with next) and get all rowdy about it.

the STARS persona is here to be the "village idiot" and get you guys to rise to his bait. don't rise to it - just rip on the manchild and give us a yuck or two at the troll's expense. (Strake's recent schooling of "at war with satan" is a prime example of what I'm talking about.)
we all know that what "tactics" he proposes are bunk, we all know that anyone who uses video games as a "training aid" is an idiot - and the Whole rejector of Jesus thing? well, since some of you cats are pretty devout.... and all too vocal about it... So he came up with that BS to get yer goat - and sadly it has worked on some of you.

Back Again (Drache Teufel) on the other hand... he plays the "I'm an asshole and you can't do anything about it" card - and he's decided to take it out on the fourms once again.
anyway - He's so stupid, so poorly educated and such a loser. he doesn't even get that when we rip on him and his sock puppets, that it's not even relevent that he read it... we ain't talking to him :lol: we are talking about him

Anyway cupcake - shall we continue to dance?
show me what you got you pussy - I remain unimpressed at this point.
you did alot better last year.
 

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Lets see, a tall thin silhouette moving fast and changing directions randomly while shooting at you or a bundled up body rolling in a straight line and whose gun is temporarily out of commission. A semi skilled shooter with good reflexes with pop that rolling bundle 3 or 4 times and it won't matter where the bullets hit, ankle, shoulder, middle of the back, in the side perforating a kidney the roller will become disabled. Any fool willing to use it as a combat maneuver has been watching way to many Kung Fu movies.
Or you will evade their gunfire. < Which would be the most likely scenario.
 

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I need not convince anyone here of anything...

your actions are as transparent as the foraged "documents" you posted
and are all the "convincing" I need to rest my case.

like I said... no one is buying what you are selling.

keep trying snookums.


As for your accusations of paranoia or delusion - you best go look those terms up in the dictionary, you are applying them incorrectly.

if you had to aply a term from psychology to MY behavior...
"maniacal" would be a more accurate discription :p
 
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