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Hey guys, I have always wanted a bull barrel .308 tactical "sniper" :rolleyes: style rifle. Any of you have one, and if so what kind of groups do you get right out of the box? I have looked in to Savage and Remington mainly. Like them both. Thanks.
 

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Adaman04, welcome to the bolt forum! I've only shot the Rem. 700, so I can't say anything about the Savage, but I do know that Remington doesmake a really sweet rifle. :D :sniper:
 

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Can't go wrong with a Remington 700,... adjustable trigger, many aftermarket accesssories.

Purchased a Savage 12bvss with the new adjustable trigger. Beautiful rifle, got half inch groups out of the box, cost me $525. Purchased it from the head of our states taskforce on terrorism. He had recieved it as a gift and wouldn't touch it as he was partial to the Remington 700.

Both are accurate. The Savage is not as expensive as the Remington, other than that it's a toss-up.
 

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Welcome to the forum mandrake! I like hearing good things about Savage Firearms. For some reason, my local gun dealer thinks they're trash - something I'm inclined to disagree with him about. I've only heard good about the Savage line of bolt rifles. But then again, the same can be said for Remington. Guess that means we'll have to buy both! :blink:
 

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It seems Savage is getting better and better in the quality department.

Now they just need to get a better stock on their rifles. Much to blocky for my taste, guess I'll have to "settle" for a remington. :blink:
 

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Ref "blocky stocks", at least you get enough wood that you can rasp it down to what you like (same thing is true of the CZ "hogback"BTW). Cutting off excess wood is easy and cheap, adding wood where you need/want it is difficult and expensive.

BTW I use a custom, Mauser baised, rifle for my LR work.
 

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Originally posted by adaman04@Aug 3 2004, 07:45 PM
Hey guys, I have always wanted a bull barrel .308 tactical "sniper" :rolleyes: style rifle. Any of you have one, and if so what kind of groups do you get right out of the box? I have looked in to Savage and Remington mainly. Like them both. Thanks.
I re-barreled one of my Mausers in .308cal about 10 years ago. I used a Santa Barbra barrel and a Monte Carlo wood sporter stock (blank). For optics I used a Bushnell 3-9x50 Sportview scope with Weaver mounts. When I was done the only thing original was the Mauser actions receiver. Constant <3" at 100 yards.

My next Mauser project will incorporate a Adams & Bennett Barrel in .308. This barrel is 24" long, F54 contour w/1 in 10" twist and fluted. Based on a synthetic stock with an aircraft aluminum milled bedding. A Bold 2-4lb adjustable trigger w/safety. High tech yes - but not really intended to be a "sniper" rifle, as I plan on leaving the barrel alone going for a two tone look. At the end of the day highly capable long range target/varmint rifle- I'm really working toward having groupings of <1/2".

:sniper:

Cheers!
 

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"Constant <3” at 100 yards."
I hope your "gunsmith" gave you a full refund for his lousy workmanship and all the parts he ruined.


"My next Mauser project will incorporate a Adams & Bennett Barrel...I’m really working toward having groupings of <1/2”."
Go with a #4 or #5 Shilen barrel, you won't have to work nearly as hard to get tight groups or remove anywhere near the amount of copper from it after your shooting is done.

The rifle I mentioned above (previous post) is on it's second Shilen (30-06, 1-12 BTW), I scrapped the 1st barrel after 7500 rounds because the groups (5 shot) had opened up to 1", before that it was consistantly sub .5 out past 500yd. The second (current) barrel is shooting in the .3 range with the leftover ammo from the first barrel. The last group I fired was at 200yd prone, off a wobbly post (ammo box turned on end) and measured 1/2 high x2" wide for 6 rounds.
 

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I've been looking at a few different rifles. The CZ 550 varmint, Howa and FN SPR A1. There are functional advantages and cost advantages to each. The FN is by far the most expensive coming in at $1100, but it has a lot of extras. Or I could get a bottom of the line CZ or Howa for $500, but the upgrade options are not as readily available. The difference is the FN has been blueprinted, a true action, free float barrel, custom stock, guaranteed accurracy of 1" or less at 200 yds, and many other extras.

Ofcourse I could get a Remington 700 PSS, but I would spend as much money on all the upgrades and come out with less of a rifle.

This is my conclusion out of hours of drooling in gun shops and on my keyboard.
 

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Originally posted by Tailgunner@Aug 8 2004, 05:01 PM
"Constant <3" at 100 yards."
I hope your "gunsmith" gave you a full refund for his lousy workmanship and all the parts he ruined.

"Lousy workmanship"? Hmm.. <_<

That is kind'a funny actually. Because except for seating the barrel & head-spacing I did all the work myself. So I'd tend to agree with your comment about the gunsmith. Trust me this next rifle I am working on will be a whole different story.

The sad truth is - in defense of my old Stag killer - is that like'em or not, most of those numbers are more my fault than the rifles. As I do see fast improvements in the way of <1" to 1.5" groups, with some of the more expensive ammo and even more improvements when I bench fire the rifle. But a weekend at the range (or an old dump) I normally use surplus 308 if I'm just playing around. Fact is more consistent trips to the range would probably see even better results, along with a new set of younger eyes.
:blink:

But again that rifle was my first attempt at building a rifle on my own and for what I wanted to use it for it was just fine. Remember I wasn't looking to build a rifle that would take game at more than 100 to 150 yards max. Is it capable of taking game beyond that? Probably - but one little mistake on a freezing cold morning trying to harvest an animal at over 100yards (unless you are Davy Crocket) even with the best firearm in the world and you'll be chasing blood trails for hours.

But thanks for the comments anyway.

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Cheers!
 

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Can't go wrong with a Remington 700,... adjustable trigger,
Do ADL's have this? I have a BDL and a VLS. The VLS has a 26" Heavy barrel and it drives tacks. Love the Hornaday 168's.

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Originally posted by adaman04@Aug 3 2004, 09:45 PM
Hey guys, I have always wanted a bull barrel .308 tactical "sniper" :rolleyes: style rifle. Any of you have one, and if so what kind of groups do you get right out of the box? I have looked in to Savage and Remington mainly. Like them both. Thanks.
Hi guys. I'm new to this forum and kinda shy so please go easy on me. ;)

After doing a lot of research I bought a Savage 10FP with 26" bull in .308 for $490. Many have said theirs get 1/2MOA out of the box. A sheriff deupty I shoot with sold his Remington 700 sniper rifle and bought a Savage 10FP. I have mounted Burris DD Mounts, Burris Signature DD rings with inserts, and Burris Signature 6-24x44mm scope, with fine duplex, target knobs, and AO. My Savage can be adapted to any short action caliber, by buying the Savage barrel, and bolt face. About $150 will do it. Also needed is barrel wrench, and head spacing guage.

I bought it because of its awsome accuracy out of the box, can easly convert it to other calipers, trigger is owner adjustable to 1 1/2#, over sized bolt so you can shift with mittens on, low cost and can use it for benchrest in the hunter class or benchrest class, because the bull barrel is stock from the factory.

I have heard others say for a project gun get the Remington , for out of the box accuracy get the Savage.

Can't wait to shoot it, and work up some hand loads. Will post a pic soon.
 

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Hi Guys,

I started out with a Remington PSS LTR in 308, great rifle out of the box for about $675, I shot 3/4" MOA at 100yards (I'm sure it could have done better like 1/2" but I was using 175gr Black Hills Match which is more accurate at longer distances), I decided to sale it due to the recoil factor , I also shot my friend's custom Remington and noticed a small difference; I'm in it for the fun , not getting beat up. I started looking into the custom arena and decided to make an investment. After much research, I bought a GA Precision "Rock" rifle..it's pretty much a hand made rifle. I have not the chance to shoot it yet but will post a report when I do.

If you keep an eye on the sights enough, you should be able to pick a PSS for $650, Savages for about $400. For me, I have owned both and like the Rem better though the Savages are pretty good. Though I never really regret selling my Savage 10FP in 223 (I bought a custom PSS in 223) it was one of those rifles I don't mind owning either... :sniper:
 

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Originally posted by Sniper@Sep 10 2004, 05:18 AM
Can't go wrong with a Remington 700,... adjustable trigger,
Do ADL's have this? I have a BDL and a VLS. The VLS has a 26" Heavy barrel and it drives tacks. Love the Hornaday 168's.

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Yup... my 700 VLS BDL Factory Bull .308 has an adjustable factory trigger.

After some playing around with it I have it set to about 2 and 1/2 pounds -- and it shoots sweet.

Right out of the box it was doing .3 inch - 3 shot groups and .5 inch 5 shot groups with 168 HPBT rounds.. (all I did initially was float the barrel by removing the "bump" in the wood under the barrel near the front of the forestock)

Now..after about 750 rounds fired, it shoots just as good (If the operator does his part of course ;) )

My only mods are that I've free floated the barrel (there's a pressure point near the front end of the stock when you buy 'em) and shim bedded the action with aluminum tape on the recoil lug -- Of course it's scoped (They don't come with sights) so I added a 6-24X Bushnell Elite scope that performs very well. I also added a camo Mil style shooting sling and a Harris bipod.

It's my second BDL .308 "Varmint Special" in 20 years and I swear by 'em!

Here's a 3 shot group from 100 yards (The target is a one inch square with a half inch dot)
 

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Well, Ive got a Remington 700 with a 24" bull barrel. Its a fine gun, shoots between 1/2" and 1" 5 round groups with 168 grain HPBTs (at 100 yards, of course). I assume I could do better, but that good enough for me. The only fault I can find with it is that the trigger is not as refined as I'd like in a bull barreled boltie. I beleive the barrel and action are bedded. Good enough for a 500 dollar gun with a Leupold scope, though.
Originally posted by Bret @ Aug 8 2004@ 08:55 PM
Remember I wasn't looking to build a rifle that would take game at more than 100 to 150 yards max. Is it capable of taking game beyond that?
If I remember correctly, 3 MOA is well withing minute of deer. If you can get it within 2 MOA your good for about all the hunting shots you could reasonably take.
 

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Hey everyone, I am adding another rifle or two to my Varmint collection. After boar hunting at night with my Tikka T3 Tactical and Mini-Opsrey night vision scope, I have decided that the .223 is not sufficient for boar. I know... I knew better, but still had some fun.
I really dig the Tikkas, but am looking at a Sako TRG-42 in the .338 Lapua Mag. Some really crazy specs and a bank busting price, but I am seriously considering it.
(For the software engineer with more money than sense....)

As for the .223, the fox I shot a few weeks ago with it was nearly blown in half. I hit him a little low and literally tore his stomach out. So for small game (I was after a coyote and instead got a very large fox) I am going to go with the Savage 17HMR Model 93R17-BVSS. I got to shoot one of these at the firing range the other day and was very impressed with the quality and the feel. At around $700 with scope ($350 for the gun another $350 for the scope). Not a bad deal in my opinion.

I think Savage has come a long way in producing better quality guns at a still affordable price. They are moving away from the "Wal-Mart Special" reputation they earned early on.

The Howa is a gun I shot (a good friend's) and really couldn't stand it. I don't know why. The Japanese are awesome at taking someone else's ideas and perfecting them in a way the original builder couldn't have imagined, but in the world of firearms (not TVs) they still seem a little behind the curve. My friend really digs it, but I really couldn't say I cared for it.

Remington's are nice. You can never go wrong with a 700. Reliable quality.

Look into the Sako 75 and the Tikka T3. I love them. And no, I don't work for either.
 

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If the operator does his part of course ;)
Very impressive group PCountyboy! That's one reason why I don't think the feds will try to take away our guns forcefully! B)
 
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