[Sgt Shellback]

I am hopeing someone can point me in the right direction. I'm looking for a better Rear Sight for my Mini... The factory (Plastic? seems sloppy (I can move the whole thing around by hand) and the clicks are too course for me. I also don't like the pinned turns, I'd rather they be dialed with postive clicks.

I want to preserve the military aspect as much as possible so I don't want any high tech plastic. What I really want is an M14 or M1 Style tooless adjustable rear peep. (Steel!)

If I can buy an M1 Garand Rear Sight will it drop right into my Mini without having to machine?

Can anyone point me to a Web page that might have something?

Thanks in adavnce!!!

Sgt. Shellback
1-113th / F trp

 

[cajungeo]

Welcome to the forum Sgt Shellback. You can find several pages of posts on the sights, by clicking on the search button, in the upper right of your control panel. Enter rear sight, click on Mini-14 talk. Your key words will appear in Red. The names Williams, and Millet come to mind. Also I don't believe the M-1 sight will fit on your mini, without a lot of grinding. Let us know how your search goes.

Sgt I moved your post into the Mini-14 talk forum as almost all the posts concerning sights are in this forum.

 

[molonlabe416]

Not sure about a good replacement for a standard Mini14, but the you can mount an M1 Carbine back sight on the Ranch Rifle in place of the issue fold down sight. Much better and simple to do.

 

[Sgt Shellback]

Monolabe... Your post is music to my ears... Do yu mean I can put an M1 Sight on my Ruger without having to machine???


The phtot's I've seen of the sights look similar but I haven't been able to see the reciever. I'D LOVE IT IF I COULD GET AN M! SIGHT ON MY WEAPON!!!!.

Please confirm... I await your reply.

 

[g8keyper97]

Hey Sgt.....I think he's talking about M1 Carbine sights, not the M1 rifle sights.....

Oohrah and Semper Fi....

G8keyper97

:ar15:

 

[Dennis]

Brownell's has that William's Foolproof micrometer sight for the standard Mini-14.

There's a picture of it in the paper Brownell's catalog. More info at www.brownells.com

Dennis Jenkins

Originally posted by Sgt Shellback
I am hopeing someone can point me in the right direction. I'm looking for a better Rear Sight for my Mini... The factory (Plastic? seems sloppy (I can move the whole thing around by hand) and the clicks are too course for me. I also don't like the pinned turns, I'd rather they be dialed with postive clicks.

I want to preserve the military aspect as much as possible so I don't want any high tech plastic. What I really want is an M14 or M1 Style tooless adjustable rear peep. (Steel!)

If I can buy an M1 Garand Rear Sight will it drop right into my Mini without having to machine?

Can anyone point me to a Web page that might have something?

Thanks in adavnce!!!

Sgt. Shellback
1-113th / F trp

 

[Kalifornia Citizen]

Sgt Shellback,
There's obviously some confusion here over the ranch rifle and the standard. Both are Ruger Mini-14 but as far as rear sights and scope mounts go, they are different supersonic-launching-platforms.

The M1 carbine rear sight could be cut down, machined, or grinded so the dove-tail mount fits on the ranch rifle.
A lot of work but do-able.

The standard mini has some advantages because there are several replacements available in the Brownell's catalog. The ranch rifle is at a disadvantage in this case. If anyone knows of a match-grade replacement rear sight for the ranch rifle, PLEASE let all of us know.

KC

 

[Sgt Shellback]

I believe that this is the same sight for the M1 Garande and Carbine...

Unfortunatly I can't see the bottom of it to compare it to my receiver... If it's just a bit of machining on the sight I might as well try it. I'm a littile concerened where the front sight will fall out but there's tons of replacement fronts.

If anyones ever done this I'd appreciate your advice.

If you want a better rear sight for the ranch why don't you put your scope on? Isn't that what you bought it for?

 

[djskit]

Nope - the carbine and the garand do not have the same sights - I see no way garand or M-14 sights could be used the base of the sighsts is machined into the reciever.
I have heard that Carbine sights can be used on a Ranch rifle - just wanted to clarify.
As our cajun moderator noted, the two "best" after market sights are the millet and the williams - I think the williams has the egde as it can be adjusted by hand whereas the millet needs a screwdriver.

 

[Sgt Shellback]

I'm sorry but I'm not sure that I understand... I think what you're telling me is that the M1 Garande sight I posted above wont work on the Mini and is different than the M1 Carbine.. But that teh M1 Carbine Rear Sight will work...

OK I can find a few places where I can get an M1 Carbine Rear Sight ($30.00 to $45.00). The price is good if it'll work...

Please bear with me on this and tell me if I've got it straight now.. BTW I've seen the Williams and Millet sights but they look plastic and am not sure I'd improve much from the factory sights.?

Pictured below (3 Sight sets from the Carbine) Wondering if any one or all will work on the Mini 14 (Standard.)

 

[djskit]

I'm no expert on this subject - but it does look like you could mount a Carbine sighy on a Ranch Rifle - sell that little dovetail the carbine sight fits in? I could see how some grinding could make it work. That's a ranch rifle, not a standard mini, they have very different sight mounting systms.
Who knows if the hieght of the rear sight would be too high? Dunno - Has somebody ever done this sucessfully??

 

[g8keyper97]

Hey guys, I know that this may be a little off topic, and I can't guarantee if it is match grade or anything, but this sight is fully adjustable for wind. and elev. (with a driver, of coruse), but its for the Ranch Model. Go to:

http://www.accuracysystemsinc.com/Page7.html

Its most of the way down the page, its an Ashley Rear Sight, and its cost is $59.00....also, check out the rest of the page for some nice lookin Mini's and conversion accesories!'

Talk later guys,

G8keyper97

:ar15:

 

[reloader]

Sarge,
I have a Williams FP sight on my rifle. It has finger adjusting target knobs that have a poitive click that is both audible and tactile. You can use any standard threaded shank aperture with it. It has all the windage and elevation range you'd ever need. It is NOT plastic. It is aircraft grade anodized aluminum_very tough. This is a target style sight and is of very good quality. My rifle is one of those that wears a heavy (.850x24") bbl and it was built as an NRA Highpower Match Rifle. And mine's a Ranch. That's the Williams FP-1187TK. For standard rifles its FP-Mini-14TK. An excellent target sight. Bear in mind I would not put this sight on a truck gun or any rifle I would be abusing. The sight is strong and positive but it is not a mil-spec rough duty sight.

 

[reloader]

I should mention that I went down the same road. I have an NM2A rear sight assembly that I purchased to adapt to the Mini. My idea was to take a demilled (torched in half at taxpayer expense) M-14/M1 receiver half and adapt it to mount to the Ranch Rifle. I have a nice back half of a Winchester M-14 sitting in the closet with the NM2A rear sight assembly. I could not engineer it. Several talented machinists I know could not engineer it. I'm praying that you find a way to do exactly what you want to do there, but I wanted to warn you that it won't be easy.

 

[Sgt Shellback]

For the straight answer... You obviously understand what I'm looking for. The M-14 / M1 sight is accurate and rugged.

One question though... The Williams sight you referred to... I can't find it. I mean I found Williams web page but they don't have much to look at online and the model number you posted must be a retailers but I couldn't find who it was for...

I'd like to get as good a close-up picture of the sight as I can although I'm not giving up putting the NM2A on my Mini yet...

I'm still surprised that it wont fit. The diagrams I've seen of the M1 Reciever and my Standard Mini reciever look very similiar... Both have the base built-in... You didn't get the wrong impression that I was talking about the Ranch Rifle did you? I hope... ;-)

 

[g8keyper97]

The Mini's receiver and the M-1 Garand have similar receivers, but the M-1 is bigger, since it was a bigger rifle. While the diagrams may make them look the same, the sights on the M-1 were designed for the M-1 one, and they are bigger than the Mini's.....


G8keyper97

:ar15:

 

[Sgt Shellback]

Thanks. I was hopeing it would work but I really appreciate all of you taking the time to give me straight answers...

I'm not sure if I'm going with the Millet or the Williams but I'll let you know how it turns out.

And BTW I love my Mini. I have three sons and a daughter who shoot the heck out of it when ever the weathers good.

Again, thanks everyone!

 

[djskit]

Hey Sarge -
That williams web site is worthless - you need to go to brownells.com and they have all you need.
Reloader - I'm curious - what type of front sight did you use on that heavy barrel mini-14 you were talking about?

 

[reloader]

Sarge,
The #'s I reffered to (FP-Mini-14TK and FP-1187TK) are William's part #'s. The Williams website is absolutely worthless. Get them to send you a catalog. I bought mine directly from Williams by phone. Their tech people are very good and will answer any questions you may have. They answered a boat-load from me. Both sights I mentioned above are designed to work with the factory front sight or anything the same height. The FP-1187 is two holes drilled and tapped in the left side of your receiver (about where the safety warning is). I'm not 100% but I think the FP-Mini-14 is a drill and tap installation as well, as it goes in about the same place. I do know that the FP-Mini-14 does make use of the existing sight pan, that's why I'm not 100% on the holes. They have a picture of the sight on a standard rifle in their catalog. You'll see what I mean about mounting. If anybody wonders, the 1187 is listed for the 1187 shotgun (Remington) and the Ruger Ranch. Why anyone would use such a sight on an autoloading scattergun is beyond me. I have been thoroughly pleased with my sight for its intended purpose. I don't think it is an appropriate choice for a rugged SHTF rifle. I would stick with the factory or go with the Millet. But then again, the Millet is pretty much plastic isn't it?

djskit,
The rifle is in the hands of my trusty accomplice at the moment. He's fabricating the riser type front sight base that will hold my Lyman globe sight. My rifle is competing with his Creedmoore-type .45-70 black powder cartridge target rifle for shop time right now though. He's been lusting to build one for years now, and I'm not about to stand in his way. If and when I ever do get it back from him, I'll start a thread in the Gallery. We initially made a quick and dirty copy of the three blade tactical sight offered by Accuracy Systems Inc. just to try out the new rear. It wasn't what I wanted. I may get crazy and add a spirit level someday...
Can a Mini-14 that weighs about 13lbs empty and scopeless be referred to as a 'mini' anything anymore?