[OneShotOneKill]

I am thinking about buying ethier a armalite M15 A2 or a colt target habar. I would apprceate experiences and recomondations from ppl who have these rifles.

Thanks Alot

 

[quadfan]

Armalite!!!!!!!!!!!!! EXCELLENT fit and finish,LIFETIME warranty!

What else can one say?

 

[armabill]

I have an Armalite.

 

[jp58c]

ARMALITE everything else is just a wanna be.
Colts have to many differences, size pins get a mil spec
Bushmaster or perfferebly an Armalite better finsh which sold me
Bushmstrs finishes don't always match ,,to me

 

[hadaway]

Save some money. Get a Rock River. Quality is as good if not better than all the others.

Lee
http://www.thearmsroom.com

 

[arrowbullet]

I'd go with a Bushmaster or a pre-ban or target colt. I feel their parts are much better than anyone elses, but I'm sure the Armalites are quality pieces too.

 

[one good cop]

I'LL THROW MY NAME IN FOR ROCK RIVER AND BUSHMASTER ONLY......ALL OTHERS PALE IN COMPARISON .COLT SOLD OUT TO GOVT. AND CLOSED THEIR RECIEVERS.COLT OUT. OLYMPIC SUCKS NOT MIL SPEC PARTS DONT FIT OTHER MANUFACTURERS. ARMALITE ARE OK BUT NOT THE BEST . CAV. ARMS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO MILSPEC AND ARE PLAIN UGLY. HESSE IS NOT EVEN AN OPTION MORE A JOKE THAN AN AR-15 PRODUCER.DPMS IS GOOD AND HAVE NOT HAD ANY PROBLRMS WITH THEM. ROCK RIVER AND BUSHMASTER ARE #1 IN QUALITY AND PRICE PLUS CUSTOMER SERVICE IS OUTSTANDIND . COLT CUSTOMER SERVICE SUCKS AND THEY ARE RUDE ARMALITE IS THE SAME WAY. OLYMPIC HAS GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE BUT CRAP PRODUCTS .....JUST MY OPINION FROM A CUSTOMER AND BUILDER OF AR-15'S I KNOW WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESNT .JUST MY .02 CENTS..

 

[Sniper]

With the choices you've listed, I'd go with the Armalite. Colt was contracted by the government and they always take the lowest bid. Eugene Stoner, one of the designers of the rifle, was employed at Armalite. Just a couple of things to think about.

:sniper:

 

[valleypine]

Originally posted by OneShotOneKill@Mar 20 2003, 08:49 PM
I am thinking about buying ethier a armalite M15 A2 or a colt target habar. I would apprceate experiences and recomondations from ppl who have these rifles.

Thanks Alot

Bought a new Colt MT6530 (not an hbar) several years ago and have had no problems with it. Colt customer service and Colt website stinks.

 

[22man]

Get a Rock River lower, for about $100. Get a Model One Sales (illinois, Shotgun News or Net Search) upper. Save about $100, maybe double that, depending upon what you want. If you want real accuracy,(ie, .5 MOA) you will have to get a Rock River 2 stage trigger job ($125) and have John Holliger work over the upper.

 

[valleypine]

Originally posted by one good cop@May 26 2003, 07:13 PM
I'LL THROW MY NAME IN FOR ROCK RIVER AND BUSHMASTER ONLY......ALL OTHERS PALE IN COMPARISON .COLT SOLD OUT TO GOVT. AND CLOSED THEIR RECIEVERS.COLT OUT. OLYMPIC SUCKS NOT MIL SPEC PARTS DONT FIT OTHER MANUFACTURERS. ARMALITE ARE OK BUT NOT THE BEST . CAV. ARMS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO MILSPEC AND ARE PLAIN UGLY. HESSE IS NOT EVEN AN OPTION MORE A JOKE THAN AN AR-15 PRODUCER.DPMS IS GOOD AND HAVE NOT HAD ANY PROBLRMS WITH THEM. ROCK RIVER AND BUSHMASTER ARE #1 IN QUALITY AND PRICE PLUS CUSTOMER SERVICE IS OUTSTANDIND . COLT CUSTOMER SERVICE SUCKS AND THEY ARE RUDE ARMALITE IS THE SAME WAY. OLYMPIC HAS GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE BUT CRAP PRODUCTS .....JUST MY OPINION FROM A CUSTOMER AND BUILDER OF AR-15'S I KNOW WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESNT .JUST MY .02 CENTS..

One good cop,

What do you mean by "COLT SOLD OUT TO GOVT. AND CLOSED THEIR RECIEVERS."? Any explanation will be appreciated.

 

[22man]

Colt has always used that stupid double screw front takedown pin in their AR's, so that it's harder to conceal them. They also modified their semiauto AR receivers to make it considerably more difficult to make them full auto.

 

[valleypine]

Originally posted by 22man@Jun 19 2003, 04:00 PM
Colt has always used that stupid double screw front takedown pin in their AR's, so that it's harder to conceal them. They also modified their semiauto AR receivers to make it considerably more difficult to make them full auto.

22man,

Thanks for the input. Replaced the double screw front takedown pin with a quick-release pin long time ago and have no plans to go full auto. My only complaint with Colt now is that I can't get a Colt factory off-the-shelf flat top upper sans front sight with a lightweight barrel. I can get it from Bushmaster but don't wish to mix and match. No technical rationale for this, just philisophical.

 

[22man]

if your Colt is a preban, I'd sell it while there are still suckers paying extra for such, and get a Rock River lower,and whatever upper you REALLY want.

 

[shayne_44657]

hello oneshot,
I have a AR10 from Armalite fit and finish are excellent. Customer service is really good. And I agree that Colt kinda sold us out same for Smith. So I'd say Armalite all the way. Shayne

 

[2 gun]

When we say COLT sold out what we or at least I mean is while Colts quality is still good they have in the past porposefuly changed the design of there guns and parts to the civilan market to make it harder to change the guns in to what we want and use other manufactures parts (IE... the over sized pins) in edition to putting blocks in the receiver to prevent anyone from ever useing any m16 parts.It;s not the fact that we where going to convert them ,there are laws aginst that kind of thing. It's the fact they changed the gun signed a deal with those who would wipe there butts with the constitution and never told us and realy did'nt care what we thought of it. That is why I will never buy anything from colt untill it is sold to another person or company.

Armalite however is the 2nd or 3rd larget maker of AR guns and parts in the U.S they also have the best warranty .As far as quality I have seen and shot both colt and armalite and I can honestly say Armalite as as good or better than colt.

 

[AFreeMan]

Colt did several things to keep anyone from converting their rifles to full auto:

Larger than standard trigger and hammer pins.
There is a crazy screw system instead of pushpin on the front end.
A big steel block where the autosear would have gone.

Due to this it makes it difficult to interchange the upper halves with those of other manufacturers.

You have to use only hammer and trigger parts made for the large pin Colt.

Due to the steel block, you can't use some aftermarket match triggers.

So, I advise, of the two you are interested in, Armalite.

None of the AR15 mfgs are "milspec". Some are better. Armalite, for example, has a stronger, heavier charging handle, for example.

Also, I will say that Bushmaster, DPMS, and Rock River are equal in quality to the Armalite. New-old company, J&T now has their Double Star line out, and these are excellent. I have a rifle built with a J&T kit (the upper came complete, ready to shoot).

Good Cop: A Cavalry Arms lower with a stainless barreled upper can make an excellent "trunk gun". They are tough as nails and light weight. Cavalry Arms is presently retooling, and has just started producing a new and improved lower receiver. I have a new one coming soon, will post a picture.

 

[powerstrokedit]

I've had a nightmare experience with ARMAlite and BUSHMASTER actually fixed the gun after armalite blamed me and ammo.
My dissipator has not burped in 3k rounds now i have since given the other hood prop away.
BM makes a great product but like everyone else i hear a mixed reviews on their service also.In my case armalite turned there back on me and Bushmaster was more than willing to fix it for me (for a charge of coarse)
My .02 worth

 

[AZSherman]

ArmaLite is having all kinds of problems with customer service and junk rifles. They keep saying their problems are due to "the war," but when questioned, they can offer no proof that they actually have any products in theatre, and I have yet to hear of any soldier who actually has/had an ArmaLite rifle for use in combat anywhere in Iraq/Afghanistan, nor have I seen any proof that any contract exists between ArmaLite and the US Gov't. Also, Gene Stoner working for ArmaLite in the past means nothing about the ArmaLite quality of today. The ArmaLite of today is just a name and a logo purchased by a retired US Army Major named Mark Westrom, and has no relation to the original company at all. The new AR-180B is a perfect example of how poor the product is that ArmaLite is putting out. Feel free to read about it on other websites before you decide to buy. And as far as ArmaLite being the "2nd or 3rd biggest producer of AR's. . . . ." that is just not true. Ask any FFL-it is almost impossible to get an ArmaLite-and not because the demand is so high, but for the mere fact that they just don't make enough-which is good-less people to be unhappy that they bought an ArmaLite product.

 

[Mongo]

Get the original! The AR-10A2. I am completely satisfied with mine.