[Johnk518]

Hi gang,

I'm new to the group, and this is my first long rifle. I just purchased a pre-ban 186 model, with Butler Creek Folding Stock. Items I just ordered are: Trigger Job, video, recoil buffer by Mike, Eagle scope mount, Eagle Barrel Shroud, Bedding Goop, Synthetic Butler Creek Full Stock, and a Blackhawk Tactical Cheek Rest. That's what I know I wanted. The items in question are: The KAC Rail System; I want to get the KAC Rail system and Grip for the folder, but don't know if it will attach without inteference with the gas mech. Front Picantinny Scout Rail: The front Rail system from Acutek, but I have concerns over barrel overheating. Besides those two things, I think I would be pretty set! Bullet questions: 62 or 55 on average? Please enlighten me. Also what are the favorite spots online for purchase? Brownell of course, but anything else? One more question; what's the overall verdict on the Muzzlite Bullpup setup?

Thanks in advance, I look forward to ALL input.

John K

 

[voruzon]

Welcome, Johnk.

Read www.ammo-oracle.com for information on the 5.56 ammo.
55gr bullets are faster but 62gr hold their energy better - which comes into play at longer distances.

Since the bullet fragments reliably untill it's velocity exceeds ~2700fps, 55gr bullet may have few dozen yards advantage here. They are also easier to aim withing 300 yards since the bullet drop from say, 200 to 300 is few inches greater for 62grn.

5.56 (.223) 62grn with steel penetrator exceeds 7.62 NATO (.308 Win) at 600 yards at penetrating a steel helmet. Of course you will only have a tiny hole in flesh rather than devastating wound a fragmenting 5.56 bullet causes.

Also, your particular rifle may like one ammo better than other.

V.

 

[cajungeo]

Welcome to the forum Johnk518. No one can say which the 55 grn or the 62 grn will shoot best in your mini, as each one is different. It's best to get a box or 2 of several different kinds of ammo to see what shoots best in yours. Use a sand bag to steady your rifle so you can better judge the average group size.


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Use the search button above right. Enter bullpup several threads will come up on that subject.

 

[mikr]

John, your barrel is a 1 in 10" twist?

 

[Johnk518]

Not sure about the barrel twist. I picked it up sort of used, but never...used. So it SHOULD be brand new. Only time working against it. I have yet to take ownership of the gun, but that will be coming next week. Then I'll be able to look things over a bit. Nice thing about the Mini is it's SO customizable. So far this bbs has been a wealth of knowledge. Thanks All!

John K

 

[mikr]

FWIW, my barrel is a 1/10, and at ranges past 100M, 62 grain bullets, especially those that are M855/SS109, the bullet actually doesn't seem to be very stable and tends to fly off in different directions--it's really bad out at 300M, especially when it's cooler out.

Now, go to an AR like my M4gery (1/7) and also my DCM (1/7.7), both AR's in case you weren't familiar with them, and you can easily use 75-77 grainers for those precision 600M shoots.

Try out some XM193 and Q3131A, while you can, and then experiment from there with different ammo....but with heavier weighted bullets, please try them at longer ranges if the barrel is 1/10 or even slower-you'll see what I mean.

 

[Easyl]

John,
Concerning the Muzzlelite Bullpup stock. I have one on one of my ruger Mini-14 ranch rifles. Its a pretty good stock. Great for C.Q.B. Very Manuverable in Tight quarters Apartment, Moblile Homes, Etc... The only thing I found on them is they are more time consuming to disassembly because of the many allen head bolts. Also when reassembling the stock don't overtighten the allen head bolts and apply grease generously between the plastic trigger/slide assembly inside the stock to allow frictonless movement between the front plastic trigger and the ruger trigger. Other than that they are great stocks on a Mini-14 for engaging targets less than 100 yards. Mine has a BSA red dot scope on the handle but you can place whatever optics you want on the Weaver rail or just use the stock iron sights, somewhat similar to the Ar-15A2 sight system. Next time I have some more time I will post a picture of mine in the pics gallery.