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I hate to say it but almost everyone will give up their arms to any illegal gun ban and collection.
The proof is the gun collections during Katrina. Individuals protested but none stood and said no way. No one fought and or died. They just gave up their guns. Hitler did gun confiscations with the same results. Australia too gave up all their guns.
There will be small pockets of resistance but over all the collections will go smoothly for the tyrants.
The main issue is without guns we can not be free. We are slaves to the ones with the guns. If you can't stand up for yourself and family with guns you sure as hell can't stand up for yourself without them.
I hate to say it but almost everyone will give up their arms to any illegal gun ban and collection.
The proof is the gun collections during Katrina. Individuals protested but none stood and said no way. No one fought and or died. They just gave up their guns. Hitler did gun confiscations with the same results. Australia too gave up all their guns.
There will be small pockets of resistance but over all the collections will go smoothly for the tyrants.
The main issue is without guns we can not be free. We are slaves to the ones with the guns. If you can't stand up for yourself and family with guns you sure as hell can't stand up for yourself without them.
I think I hate ot think of dying and not seeing my family anymore, but I would have said no during Katrina and went down in a blase of glory.
I have a buddy I spoke to last night about gun rights and such and he said
"I was in the military, why does anyone need a gun? I am talking assault wepaon or handgun? We can't be scared about that one guy who may kill us. We need to live and not worry as much, look at Germany they had no gun shootings last year and in England only 4 last year"
Anyway I am not sure of the #;s and if anything he said was true but having nothing scares me big time.
And btw I now not sure if this "buddy" is still a buddy after hearing how he thinks about gun control and he was in the Army he said.... WTF?
I hate to say it but almost everyone will give up their arms to any illegal gun ban and collection.
The proof is the gun collections during Katrina. Individuals protested but none stood and said no way. No one fought and or died. They just gave up their guns. Hitler did gun confiscations with the same results. Australia too gave up all their guns.
There will be small pockets of resistance but over all the collections will go smoothly for the tyrants.
The main issue is without guns we can not be free. We are slaves to the ones with the guns. If you can't stand up for yourself and family with guns you sure as hell can't stand up for yourself without them.
I wouldn't say everyone, not even "most". Many, a large percentage, will. The stupid and the uncommitted will, as will those who still believe that the government is here to help them.
In between there are many thousands, maybe uncounted millions of gun owners that will not, who have covered or possibly never made any tracks to follow. Crafty, cautious people who think for the long term. For the left, they are frightening to contemplate, with truckloads of guns and a virtual warehouses of ammo, never bragged about or photographed. I'm convinced they are all throughout the country, and many of them are likely folks with professional training histories to make good use of what they have, and not subject to making rash statements or hurried actions. Some may admit to modest, blue-collar type collections of mainstream "sporting" guns.
Some may appear to be moderate, even left of center, or even stupid. Or both the latter.
I'm pretty darn sure they don't rant on forums using the latest conservative buzzwords. They are quiet, serious people, who once roused it's not wise to look for trouble with them.
These few out of the millions are likely to be our future leadership. The rest will be survivors.
I wonder how many other countries will be lucky enough to have such people. Australia and Canada doubtless have some. I do not believe all good Australian and Canadian patriots turned all their guns in like sheep. The wise ones likely had guns to turn in, those that could be done without. Those unsuited to what may lie in our futures.
There may even be a few in Europe and elsewhere. People still come up with small arms and ammo from WW2, secreted away from the invaders, still functional. And waiting.
Damn, that's comforting.
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Who was it that said "Give me liberty or give me death"? I wish I paid more attention in history class! If it gets to the point we lose our firearms there won't be much for our kids to live for. I was 18 in '77 so between wars I never served but when they come for my guns I'll serve to the best of my ability.
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Who was it that said "Give me liberty or give me death"? I wish I paid more attention in history class! If it gets to the point we lose our firearms there won't be much for our kids to live for. I was 18 in '77 so between wars I never served but when they come for my guns I'll serve to the best of my ability.
Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775.
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I tend to think that we are going to know well ahead of time, before something like this can happen in our own back yards. I would keep a couple old clunkers around to hand over, look like I'm cooperating, and stash the good stuff. As much as I don't want to give anything up, I don't think a shoot-out with the Athorities on the front lawn is going to improve my situation.
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live free or die......dont tread on me.......the right to bear and hold arms shall not be infringed.......im not giving up my guns....nope aint gonna happen........from my cold dead hands.......just try and come and take them...i would rather go down fighting, than live in a society where bending over to pick up the soap can be bad for ya, know what i mean??????
would the government really want to go through all the paper work and receipts to see who bought what, then track you done and take the guns? IS that the only way possible for them to do that, since most states dont require rifles to be registered? If so then the only way to actually know what you have is to look for sales receipts, rights???? (im only asking because i dont know, im not trying to start anything or try to prove anything, i just want to know)
that is a lot of paper work. soooooo they will question your kids at school....does daddy have guns? if he does can you tell us where he keeps them?.......and this one......be a good citizen.....if you know someone that has a gun call this hotline you will get a reward....for making your neighborhood safer!!!! and my personal favorite......you dont need your guns, the police and goverment will protect you.!!!!! hey the cops cant be everywhere at once, and the goverment?.......HA!~ yep i want my neighborhood to be safe......thats what the guns are for!!!!! think about this, has anyone ever tried to rob a police station at gunpoint????no why? beeeeecaussssse they all have guns.......
that is a lot of paper work. soooooo they will question your kids at school....does daddy have guns? if he does can you tell us where he keeps them?.......and this one......be a good citizen.....if you know someone that has a gun call this hotline you will get a reward....for making your neighborhood safer!!!! and my personal favorite......you dont need your guns, the police and goverment will protect you.!!!!! hey the cops cant be everywhere at once, and the goverment?.......HA!~ yep i want my neighborhood to be safe......thats what the guns are for!!!!! think about this, has anyone ever tried to rob a police station at gunpoint????no why? beeeeecaussssse they all have guns.......
jeeez... the things the govt will do. thats why my kids (when i have them later on) wont know about my guns untill they move out lol
and they did rob a police station on that discovery channel show 'it takes a theif'... and the robbers DIDNT have any guns!!!!!! lol
A few of the local retards/socialists/One Worlders that pass for politicians around here let it slip they wouldn't mind seeing the cops unarmed unless something "unusual" occurs. Not many, but they seem to eventually burn out striving to place us into a collectivist paradise...
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i often wonder what would the ultra liberal cookie cutting tofu eating pc tree hugging save the whales crowd would do if this country was attacked an invaded, [besides mexico] would they stand and fight....or would they run away and yell stop it !!!!! im getting mad.......time out,,,,,,you cant do that.. and then turn around and say what do you mean there are no guns? oh yeah we took them all away from the citizens....the bad guys have guns... but they joined the invading army........and that would be Bush`s fault too.......
i often wonder what would the ultra liberal cookie cutting tofu eating pc tree hugging save the whales crowd would do if this country was attacked an invaded, [besides mexico] would they stand and fight....or would they run away and yell stop it !!!!! im getting mad.......time out,,,,,,you cant do that.. and then turn around and say what do you mean there are no guns? oh yeah we took them all away from the citizens....the bad guys have guns... but they joined the invading army........and that would be Bush`s fault too.......
They would call the ACLU and see who they can sue.
I'd turn on some Bruce Springsteen, put on my American flag boxers, and come out guns a blazing! I would shoot them all, for hours upon hours until they gave up and reversed all the gun bans because of the tremendous bloodshed that would be on my front lawn.
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Let me see a badge and a search warrant. Without legal backing of the state or federal government, you have no grounds to take my firearms. There are no legal grounds to confiscate a weapons beyond the possibility of its use in a crime. If such a case is apparent, a search warrant is required to even step foot in my home.
If they still attempted to come into my home, no badge, or search warrant, I'd call the real police. I know my rights. Until they can prove a reason to take my firearms, they won't get a damn thing from me.
Lacking ID and legal paperwork and the Castle Doctrine being what it is, I'd be within my rights to repel boarders if confronted with force. There are far too many home-invasion robberies, fake cops, and methheads for me to let just anyone in on their say-so.
And, since I know for a fact none of my ("what guns?") have been used in a crime and all were legally acquired, any warrants for their seizure are so much horse hockey.
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Lacking ID and legal paperwork and the Castle Doctrine being what it is, I'd be within my rights to repel boarders if confronted with force.
It's almost a mantra for me, but I believe bears repeating, what happened in New Orleans.
In the event of civil unrest, wood shutters (once I;ve installed them all) will be closed, and doors boarded up with a slot. A sign will be above it:
1. If you enter without permission, you will be shot.
2. If you're with the government, slide your warrant through the slot, and I'll courteously open the door. Otherwise, see No. 1. No modern-production body armor stops .308 rounds.
In New Orleans, a lot of the NG and active-duty troops, not to mention many NOPD, simply laughed at and/or ignored Nagin's illegal and despicable order. The problem is that many, mostly out-of-staters, enforced it with glee and brutality.
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I think I hate ot think of dying and not seeing my family anymore, but I would have said no during Katrina and went down in a blase of glory.
The concept of being disarmed and thrown into the Superdome or Convention Center, which Nagin had recently said was a place where even babies were being raped, is not an option. It's worse than slavery (masters have an economic interest in keeping their slaves alive).
Patricia Konie's lawsuit was set for this past fall, but has been delayed. I hope to high Heaven it goes well.
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And btw I now not sure if this "buddy" is still a buddy after hearing how he thinks about gun control and he was in the Army he said.... WTF?
I had a similar experience with an old friend. He's not even in the Army, but a pal of ours was with him, so he felt justified in going heavy into the City in defiance of the "order", but defended the CHP's who home-invaded, robbed, assaulted, battered, and kidnapped Ms. Konie.
He thought that being in the company of a military member made him above the law. He thought the military member was above the law. What's worse, a family friend of his was raped in broad daylight trying to get out of the City. His main concern was that his house had been flooded, to the point when I reminded him of the family friend, it took him a while to recall it.
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Individuals protested but none stood and said no way. No one fought and or died. They just gave up their guns.
Actually, a few did. Ashton O'Dwyer was interviewed on CNN saying that if they entered his house, if they tried to takehis weapons, there would be gunfire. He was unmolested during the crisis, though afterwards some authorities did harass, and at one point, arrest him. Look him up on You-Tube . . . it's one of the few inspiring civilian reactions.
hey remember the LA riots? the korean store owner who gave us all a lesson on crowd dispersal? man that guy steps out with what looks like a mac 10 and empties the mag over the crowds heads, the sob,s scattered like flies and nobody screwed wlth his store.......as far as new orleans is concerned......those people did what they normally do, murder rape robery assult.....nothing but a bunch of wefare junkies waiting on thier checks.....and they thought the goverment was gonna help them right away....and then they shoot at the rescue helecopters.....morons......mayor nagan was and is a complete idiot....he got elected because idiots elected him.....if youv`e never been to louiseanna new orleans is not anything like the rest of the state......i woud of shot my way out of town and never looked back......this is a perfect example of what happens when your police force says ----it and takes off.......YOU must repel boarders.......my sighn would have said........caution...NOTHING in this house is worth your life......GO AWAY.......
hey remember the LA riots? the korean store owner who gave us all a lesson on crowd dispersal? man that guy steps out with what looks like a mac 10 and empties the mag over the crowds heads, the sob,s scattered like flies and nobody screwed wlth his store.......as far as new orleans is concerned......those people did what they normally do, murder rape robery assult.....nothing but a bunch of wefare junkies waiting on thier checks.....and they thought the goverment was gonna help them right away....and then they shoot at the rescue helecopters.....morons......mayor nagan was and is a complete idiot....he got elected because idiots elected him.....if youv`e never been to louiseanna new orleans is not anything like the rest of the state......i woud of shot my way out of town and never looked back......this is a perfect example of what happens when your police force says ----it and takes off.......YOU must repel boarders.......my sighn would have said........caution...NOTHING in this house is worth your life......GO AWAY.......
You're over-generalizing again. IIRC the Korean store eventually burned down after LAPD disarmed the owner and his watchmen. I thought he had an AR however.
NO big city could survive if "they all" were a bunch of welfare junkies.
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yeah your right ....i get carried away....true not everyone in the big easy is an idiot, but enough of them are to make it bad,,,, didn`t know the korean store owner was disarmed, then his store burns down, i guess thats kalifornia for ya........the police will protect you, don`t worry...........oh man.. its been a while....so it may have been an AR sure was funny watching those ----heads run though........
LESSON NO. 2: If a bureaucrat, or a soldier sent by a bureaucrat, comes to knock down your door and confiscate your firearms -- kill him. The disarmament of law-abiding citizens is the required precursor to genocide.
Heavy wooden shutters are a really good idea. To really mess them up if they decided to pry one, backing them up with some cyclone fence fabric would be a nice touch. Grenade traps could easily be camo'd with raised flower beds. Maintain light and noise discipline and wait it out.
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If only politicians were half as loyal and intelligent as my German Shepherd!
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