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Old 12-27-2006, 11:30   #1
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Best 9mm ammo for CCW

What are some leading candidates for "best ccw" ammo in 9mm?

Two I've tried recently, and liked how they perform on the range (plus I like the ballistics on the Cor Bon, which makes it shoot with a muzzle energy in the same neighborhood as a .40S&W):

Cor bon 115gr +P (1350 fps, M.E. 466 ft/lb)
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/36711-12610-287.html

Hornady TAP 124gr (1100 fps, M.E. 339 ft/lb)
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM410-41906-287.html


I found that the Cor Bon ammo above was also listed as a best choice for 9mm in this article that recommends good self-defense ammo by caliber.

http://recguns.com/Sources/VG1.html

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is that the cor bon with the barnes bullet?? if it is thats some wild stuff probably the best asfar as self defense ammo goes. Hornady tap uses the XTP bullet that is some good stuff too. Either of those would be great for self defense. Others you could try are speer gold dots alot of cops in my area use speer gold dot. I personally use winchester SXP's or silvertip hollow points Ive done some ballistic gelatin test with them and I love the way the bullets look mushroomed all I have to say is they would leave one hell of a wound channel in a bad guy. by the way if you remember winchesters black talons? the SXP's are the same as black talon's only with a new name. with the black talon name the ammo got a bad rap because the razor sharp pettles on a mushroomed bullets would puncture or tear the gloves on medical personell while working on someone that was shot with them. Another excellent bullet to try is federal hydra shocks. All self defense ammo will work I personally would pick which ever feeds and fuctions the best in the gun and or which ever shoots most accurately.

heres a picture of a couple mushroomed 45 acp 185 grain silvertip hollow points.

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The 115gr Cor bon stuff I'm advocating is NOT the stuff that uses the Barnes bullet. The Barnes stuff may be great as well, but the widely known Cor bon stuff that comes highly recommended is the stuff I listed; it has much higher muzzle energy and thus more "thump" than the Barnes version of the ammo. Still, Cor bon puts out a lot of great ammo, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Barnes is some new technology that in some way even improves upon the stuff I listed.

I've also heard good things about the Federal Hydra Shok that you mention, and the Remington JHP +P Golden saber ammo, though I haven't tried either one. The one consideration that bumps the Cor bon I listed slightly above everything else, for my purposes, is that it puts more "stopping power" in your hands than perhaps most other 9mm rounds available. I won't shoot it too often for practice though, as I hear the +P stuff really wears out your gun a lot faster.

Thanks for the tips!

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digging through my pictures I found some pics of some 45 acp 230 grain Winchester SXP's mushroomed.
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heres a comparison photo between a remington golden saber and a speer gold dot. the Golden saber on the right gold dot on the left.
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I have the Cor Bon ammo with Hornady EXP? hollowpoint in A MK III High Power with a Wolfe heavy duty spring kit to keep from beating the frame. It's a stiff pull to rack the slide but worth it. I have an older HP I use the 147 in, some Winchester LE subsonic easy on the wrist and supposedly good penetration.
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The Cor-Bon 115 grn +P and Hordnady TAP ammo are a GREAT choice, especially in a 9mm loading where propper projectile choice is key.

I highly recomend both and would carry both for self defense or for duty without hesitation. I have seen what they do in person and can tell you that they actually do what they advertise.

In experience I can tell you that the Cor-Bon is designed to fragment quickly and provide multiple would channels in targets in this load. Remember, you are not looking for overpenetration you are looking for the greatest damage to the target.

The TAP load will hold together better and generally does better if you think you might have to shoot through intermediate targets or barriers like auto doors or light cover.

Both are really good choices. The bigger the hollow point, the more damage is done on contact as long as it has the energy to expand.

When you get to bigger calibers bullet construction isn't as critical. In the 9mm loading the golden saber, wichester ranger, etc...really don't open and are frequently recovered at the scene in an unopened condition. The sub sonic Winchester Ranger round (9mm and 40S&W) were the only round to completely FAIL some penetration and performance evaluations using cadavers and other more realistic test mediums than jello.

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TIMLT: check out this article on Gunblast ref. Cor Bon 9 mm

http://www.gunblast.com/RKCampbell_Cor-Bon.htm
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Cor-Bon and TAP is excellent choices. Make sure that your gun cycles it and that you have shot over a 100 rounds through the gun before you put your life on it. Any quality first rate handgun will usually run these types BUT make sure your gun will.
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you guys outta check this stuff out http://www.extremeshockusa.com/ I got to look at some of the Fanged hollow points my friend got some in at his gun shop pretty wicked lookin ammo.
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Here is something worth looking at:
http://www.brassfetcher.com/9mm%20Luger.html

When it comes to self defense ammo of ANY caliber I look to Cor-Bon, Federal, or Hornady.

Take a look at Federal's Tactical HST Ammo here:
http://www.le.atk.com/Interior.asp?s...ol_tatical.asp
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Great links Ryan! Lot's of good info, thanks.
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Hi Everyone..

With the correct shot placement and plenty of practice, practice, and more practice and please don't tell me they would all perform the same on a BG--What ammo incapacitates the Best?
What ammo has the best street record?
P.S. I listed the Corbon Dpx ammo's weight wrong--It should be 115 gr.
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fultonteri: OK, I won't tell you that, with identical correct shot placement it won't make a damn bit of difference what load you use, regardless of the fact that it's true. I know that doesn't sell ammo, nor is it visually impressive; it's just the way it is.
The ammo that incapacitates the best is the one that:
1) always goes bang
2) has reasonably good penetration
3) you shoot the best (because only good hits count)

What you shoot 'em with isn't nearly as important as what you hit.
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Originally Posted by SCCogswell View Post
fultonteri: OK, I won't tell you that, with identical correct shot placement it won't make a damn bit of difference what load you use, regardless of the fact that it's true. I know that doesn't sell ammo, nor is it visually impressive; it's just the way it is.
The ammo that incapacitates the best is the one that:
1) always goes bang
2) has reasonably good penetration
3) you shoot the best (because only good hits count)

What you shoot 'em with isn't nearly as important as what you hit.
I agree. I have a variety of ammo but currently load my Glock 17 with the Winchester bonded 124 gr.+p, XD9 SC with Speer GD 115 gr. +p and my Storm PX 4 with Hornady 147 gr.

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i carry heavy bullets in my two 9mm's i carry 147gr Speer Gold Dot in my SR9 and 147 gr Hydra-shok in my PT92C , i test the ammo and make sure its reliable in my guns before carrying , if you can find 147gr +p ammo get it . heavy bullets have better barrier penetration then the lighter faster rounds.
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http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De.../index.htm#9mm
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+P/Heavy For Caliber

I have a 9mm that has been relegated to the gunsafe/range time now. When it was a primary carry gun, I always stoked it with Federal Hydrashok, Speer Gold Dot, or Winchester Black Talons. The Black Talons are no longer produced, but supposedly Starfire has picked up the Black Talon design and is producing it under their line in standard brass cases (no black coating). Ruled out the Golden Sabers b/c they wouldn't shoot to POA=POI in my Beretta and the others would. Recommend +P loadings, heavy for caliber bullets. Most important though, buy a box of each of what you are considering and see what shoots/groups well from your pistol.
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Hornady 124 XTP have good penetration and minimal expansion everytime , this is a bullet for penetrating heavy clothing and still has some expansion.

some jhp dont expand when they penetrate heavy clothing. Hornady expands every time.
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I carry either gold dots (warm weather) or Hornady critical defense (cold weather). Gold dots are a proven round, years of law enforcement use. Critical defense are said to be much superior when it comes to penetrating clothing and not having the HP clogged.

Both shoot to same point of aim as my 115gr fmj reloads with 3.9gr ZIP powder, out of my Kel-Tec P-11.
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I used ther Hornady TAP CQ 124 gr for summer cuz they expand better without heavy clothing, i just switched over to the Mag full of 147 gr Hydra-shoks for winter cuz they expand thru heavy clothing better then the TAP rounds , all other heavy clothing they expand due to the post inside the HP.
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You need to ditch those Hydro Shocks. Testing shows that they DO NOT expand reliably thru clothing. Look at the end of this post for the rec's.

A quote from Dr. Roberts:
"In pistol calibers, expanding hollowpoints are preferred to create the largest permanent wound cavity possible. There are a lot of people who pick a load without adequately researching the ammo they trust their life on. The Federal Hydra-Shock is one such example. It was the whiz-bang bullet of its time, but has since been eclipsed by many other bullet designs. The principal weakness of that round are its lack of expansion after passing through clothing."

If you'll read the link I posted of above, it'll give you the best HD/SD ammo for a bunch of different calibers. The information is gathered by Dr. Gary K Roberts. In case you don't know who he is, he does the a ton of ballistic and weapon testing for the military. Dr. Roberts in considered one the foremost experts in wound ballistics. He is THE MAN when it comes to stuff like this and he advises against Hydro Shocks. If not only the military, but also Federal Agency stake their lives on his data, I'll take his word for it too.

I'm not trying to give you a hard time, and I hope you don't take it that way. I just don't want to see anyone betting their life on a ammo that may or not work when there are much better alternatives out there. I used to carry Hydros myself until I learned their drawbacks. Now I carry Gold Dots.

"Please note that all of the recommended pistol loads listed below have been personally tested and vetted by Dr. Roberts. THEY ARE NOT IN ORDER OF PERFORMANCE, SO ANY BULLET ON THE LIST IS CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE."
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Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX09115)
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Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP (RA91P)
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Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
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Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA)
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Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP (RA9T)
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Winchester Bonded 147gr JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
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Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P (53617)
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Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP (53619)
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Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC)
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Federal Tactical 124gr JHP (LE9T1)
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Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P (LE9T5)
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Federal HST 147gr JHP (P9HST2)
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Originally Posted by snaz567 View Post
You need to ditch those Hydro Shocks. Testing shows that they DO NOT expand reliably thru clothing. Look at the end of this post for the rec's.

A quote from Dr. Roberts:
"In pistol calibers, expanding hollowpoints are preferred to create the largest permanent wound cavity possible. There are a lot of people who pick a load without adequately researching the ammo they trust their life on. The Federal Hydra-Shock is one such example. It was the whiz-bang bullet of its time, but has since been eclipsed by many other bullet designs. The principal weakness of that round are its lack of expansion after passing through clothing."

If you'll read the link I posted of above, it'll give you the best HD/SD ammo for a bunch of different calibers. The information is gathered by Dr. Gary K Roberts. In case you don't know who he is, he does the a ton of ballistic and weapon testing for the military. Dr. Roberts in considered one the foremost experts in wound ballistics. He is THE MAN when it comes to stuff like this and he advises against Hydro Shocks. If not only the military, but also Federal Agency stake their lives on his data, I'll take his word for it too.

I'm not trying to give you a hard time, and I hope you don't take it that way. I just don't want to see anyone betting their life on a ammo that may or not work when there are much better alternatives out there. I used to carry Hydros myself until I learned their drawbacks. Now I carry Gold Dots.

"Please note that all of the recommended pistol loads listed below have been personally tested and vetted by Dr. Roberts. THEY ARE NOT IN ORDER OF PERFORMANCE, SO ANY BULLET ON THE LIST IS CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE."
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Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX09115)
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Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP (RA91P)
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Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
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Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA)
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Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP (RA9T)
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Winchester Bonded 147gr JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
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Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P (53617)
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Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP (53619)
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Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC)
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Federal Tactical 124gr JHP (LE9T1)
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Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P (LE9T5)
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Federal HST 147gr JHP (P9HST2)
thanks but i will still stick with Hydra-shoks not everyone is wearing 4 layers of denim most are wearing light clothe winter coats, those info are sometimes bad information like chuck hawks 20 years old bad information.

i use the personal defense not the premium hydra-shoks the personal defense have the new posts in the JHP.u hear bad information form time to time like when they said TAP rounds didnt ignite the primer when was striked but i never had that problems with my TAP CQ rounds.

heres some good info on Hydra-shoks

http://www.btfh.net/shoot/bullet-test-3.html

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Your call. I know little about even less. So I do my best to follow the advise of experts in the field. Dr. Roberts is an expert in ballistic wounds. His testing his trusted by LEO, Fed, and Military groups world wide. BTW, the link you provided is good info. He also states that while improved, he still doesn't trust the hyrdo's either. I need to get some HST's and try. Just haven't found any locally.
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its really hard to find good JHP right now i am trying to figure out why, i want some HST too i prefer those over the Hydra-shoks but all i could find was the hydra-shoks so this is better then using FMJ. i have a couple TAP and Gold dot 147gr i switch them from time to time.

i feel the Police forces everywhere are buying up all the JHP bullets off the shelves for themselves at the same time the police dept are buying the HST by the bulk.

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