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Old 08-17-2012, 11:36   #1
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eBay Says Mini-14 an "Assault Weapon"

After selling 100's of Mo-Reapers on eBay, I listed one refurbished unit this week, only to have eBay shut down my auction. Here is their reason, verbatim, for doing so:

"You recently listed the following auction-style listing:
190715352842 - Mo-Reaper Hooded Front Sight / Muzzle Brake for Ruger Mini-14 Rifle
Unfortunately, we had to remove your listing because of the following:
You listed an accessory for a firearm that is considered an assault weapon."

So now, eBay has formally classified the Mini-14 as an assault weapon, and apparently even accessories for the Mini-14 are banned from their auctions (even though I still see other items???).
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That's ridiculous!! I was just on there looking at wood stocks for my Mini... Wonder if they're shutting them all down?

EDIT: Stocks, mags, and the like are still listed... I'd raise hell!
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I'd complain about it too. I wonder just how much money they've made off of your auctions plus all of the other firearms related auctions?
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If E-bay chooses to run their business like that, then to hell with them. I will just take my business elsewhere that will appreciate it. Lose enough customers and your business suffers. At least (as of today) we are free to choose where and with whom we decided to do business.
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Ebay is in dire straits these days...

don't expect them to last much longer. Amazon is DESTROYING them
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Originally Posted by KMO View Post
After selling 100's of Mo-Reapers on eBay, I listed one refurbished unit this week, only to have eBay shut down my auction. Here is their reason, verbatim, for doing so:

"You recently listed the following auction-style listing:
190715352842 - Mo-Reaper Hooded Front Sight / Muzzle Brake for Ruger Mini-14 Rifle
Unfortunately, we had to remove your listing because of the following:
You listed an accessory for a firearm that is considered an assault weapon."

So now, eBay has formally classified the Mini-14 as an assault weapon, and apparently even accessories for the Mini-14 are banned from their auctions (even though I still see other items???).
There's more than one way to skin a cat. I would relist it as a part for a "ruger .223 semi-auto rifle" and post a picture of a mini 14 with it. They probably caught your item using word search. Good luck.
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A few months ago I bought an ATI stock on ebay, then tried to list the butler creek stock I took off and ebay shut down my auction because it was an assault weapon accessory. I explained about just having purchased the ATI stock and they said that a few slip through. I explained that there are tens of thousands of parts and accessories on ebay for assault weapons. No response. Recently I decided to drop the tactical stock and go with a practical stock so I ordered a Hogue stock for my assault weapon on ebay which I did with no problem. Also I currently have the high bid on ebay for a part for my assault weapon.

I thought they had singled me out to F with until I read this post.
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Firearms, weapons, and knives policy

by there own statement they go off CA BS and mini-14 is not Assult rifle.

What I think is some one report you or they think your a flash suppsoer.

but honest ebay anti gun has been for years. If you like i dont live that far from where there home base is. if you want i can show up personally and bitch.
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Ebay thinks pencil erasers are assault weapons.
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There's more than one way to skin a cat. I would relist it as a part for a "ruger .223 semi-auto rifle" and post a picture of a mini 14 with it. They probably caught your item using word search. Good luck.
No worries about selling the Mo-Reaper...it is sold. I'm not all that surprised about eBay's internal confusion. As a California-based company, they seem to want to use CA firearms law as a basis for their policies. Try searching CA statutes for a distinction between a flash hider and a muzzle brake. It's a great study on what happens when you have politicians who know nothing about firearms writing laws to regulate them. That state is lost...
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Under California law the Mini 14 Ranch Rifle is not an assault rifle. It does not have a flash suppressor, pistol grip, or any of the other features that make a rifle an assault rifle.
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Originally Posted by Rogervzv View Post
Under California law the Mini 14 Ranch Rifle is not an assault rifle. It does not have a flash suppressor, pistol grip, or any of the other features that make a rifle an assault rifle.
It's black, enough said....

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It's probably more the brake and flash hider issue. I do a lot of PayPal for credit cards and they have called me on the phone and said that if I continued to let folks pay for flash hiders using PayPal they would shut down my account. It sucks, I remember back in the day Ebay was a gold mine for buying and selling hard to find parts.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Snuffalupagus View Post
Ebay is in dire straits these days...

don't expect them to last much longer. Amazon is DESTROYING them
Right about that with Amazon. I'd rather do business with amazon, you are less likely to get ripped off but some cracked out arab selling ersatz junk from his terrorist camp in AZ.
(yeah I know ebay has that "buyer protection" thingy but it takes forever and its a pain in the butt to file a claim)

Only problem with amazon, They donate a lot of money to gay rights...
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Originally Posted by flapjack View Post
Right about that with Amazon. I'd rather do business with amazon, you are less likely to get ripped off but some cracked out arab selling ersatz junk from his terrorist camp in AZ.
(yeah I know ebay has that "buyer protection" thingy but it takes forever and its a pain in the butt to file a claim)

Only problem with amazon, They donate a lot of money to gay rights...
what amazon does with their profits is their own business.

and just for the record - I'm one gun toting, bureaucracy hating, freedom loving middle of the road american that thinks that there is nothing wrong with Gay rights. if the homos want to get married and make sure that their partners receive death benefits if crap happens - why is it our problem? doesn't cost us anything...

the conservatives need to stay the hell out of other folk's personal business on the moral issues, and the liberals need to stay the hell out of my gun case and stop giving out welfare checks to everyone who is too lazy to find honest work.

end of rant.
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Hey I'm right with you. If somebody wants to do that thing that's fine with me if they do it in their own home. I do have an issue with the gay rights organizations that try to cram that crap down our throats. It's not enough that we let the gays do what they want do in their own privacy. But nooo, we have to openly accept them and cater to them, just like all the rest of the useless "special interest groups" and "minorities" out there. In all seriousness though, I don't have to throw the Bible at you to prove that it's unnatural and disgusting to put x into o. They can have fun in their own homes doing that if it floats their boat, but don't try to force me to accept that as natural if I don't see it that way.

Sure, let them have marriage rights, whatever, that's doesn't get in my way of life, If I don't like watching two guys kiss in public I can look the other way, it's my own choice to see that or not.
But I can assure you it won't stop there. Pretty soon after all the gays are happily married we will be forced to observe gay holidays and have gay education classes taught in schools. How about all those setup and false "hate crimes" against gays. They are doing it for a reason. They can't just be content with being gay, they have to make sure that everyone pities them and caters to them. So what if most people think that being gay is gross? Be gay and be gay, don't try to force the rest of us to have an "approving attitude" about it. Thanks for listening...
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Flapjack -

I'm cool with that


one thing, one of the reasons they get so "in our faces" about it is no one is going to listen unless they literary march down the street and hollar about it. not too unlike the freedom riders of the 60s or other civil rights protesters...
considering I grew up in the SF bay area and Have quite a few Gay friends - there is a method to the madness - the publicity stuff is all part of the plan

the downside is... some of them are a little "over the top" even to a fairly tolerant fellow like me. Wish we could all get over it, give em' what they should have and go on with our lives... we have other far more serious problems that need attention. ain't democracy cool?
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Well, I've still got some different opinions and beliefs about this subject that I'm sure you would disagree on. However, I don't feel a great need to air them right now, no sense in hijacking a perfectly good thread...
Thank you for a very cordial debate! We need more like you around here.
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like flapjack said - lets just move on. this threads going to go down hill fast.


anyway.


are there any alternatives to paypal out there?
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Your homosexuality dialogue notwithstanding, I'd like to bring the discussion back to eBay's apparent confusion about assault weapons, flash hiders, and muzzle brakes. If eBay is attempting to use California statutes to guide them in distinguishing a flash hider from a muzzle brake, it's no wonder they are confused. CA lawmakers clearly do not understand firearms, but CA law does allow for muzzle brakes. They just don't know how to describe what they are. eBay employees are all over the place in their interpretations, so I'm thankful that I rarely have to use their auctions any longer. We now sell exclusively through Sunflower Outdoor Sports, and I just use eBay if I have a refurbished unit to sell. Maybe Amazon next time...
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Originally Posted by KMO View Post
Your homosexuality dialogue notwithstanding, I'd like to bring the discussion back to eBay's apparent confusion about assault weapons, flash hiders, and muzzle brakes. If eBay is attempting to use California statutes to guide them in distinguishing a flash hider from a muzzle brake, it's no wonder they are confused. CA lawmakers clearly do not understand firearms, but CA law does allow for muzzle brakes. They just don't know how to describe what they are. eBay employees are all over the place in their interpretations, so I'm thankful that I rarely have to use their auctions any longer. We now sell exclusively through Sunflower Outdoor Sports, and I just use eBay if I have a refurbished unit to sell. Maybe Amazon next time...
I got to thinking about this a little more yesterday.

Maybe eBay is saying the Reaper is an "assault weapon" part, not a part for an assault weapon, if you catch my drift. Setting aside the FH/MB differentiations and debate for a moment, installing a FH "automagically" turns a "rifle" (Mini-14) into an "assault weapon" (Mini-14 w/ FH) under Kalifornia law, so if the Reaper is deemed to be a FH, then you're making assault weapons with a $100 part.

I wholeheartedly disagree with their generalization that any muzzle device makes any rifle a magical death machine, but I can see where they want to operate within the law of KA and will more strictly interpret the statute just to make sure they don't overstep.

I'd say avoid eBay and list those refurbs and seconds here at PU -- folks would snatch 'em up real quick like!
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Originally Posted by COBrien View Post

I'd say avoid eBay and list those refurbs and seconds here at PU -- folks would snatch 'em up real quick like!

THAT is a pretty good idea...



also even though Paypal is totally anti gun - There is a way around it, just be discrete and call the payment a gift - discussion between buyer and seller can be through other channels if both parties agree.
or an ambiguous billing as in "purchase Item" and "Misc. labor" can work pretty well. Nothing says you have to describe in detail what item or service was rendered. as long as your service person/seller is willing to email you a separate receipt... all would be fine

though I'd only do this with a seller/buyer that I trust.

of course there are some who refuse to give business to PayPal due to their policies - but until a suitable alternative is available- it is very a convenient way for small vendors (like Gundoc and others) to provide fast billing services without having to sign up with the CC companies.
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Very true Snuff. I had a couple of CC processors for in shop payments and they either dropped me like a hot rock over guns or charged so much I lost a huge chunk of change every month plus swipe fees. PayPal just takes theirs off the top and it's done.
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I won a Butler Creek folding stock in an ebay auction less than a month ago. I went to pay for it only to find out the auction was cancelled. At first I thought the seller was pulling a fast one because it went so cheap but it ended up being the ebay cops. This is the message I got:

We're sorry to tell you that the item isn't available for purchase anymore. We removed the listing because it likely fell into one of these three categories:

-- The listing doesn't follow eBay guidelines.
-- The item isn't allowed on eBay or can only be listed under certain conditions.
-- The listing contains pictures or words that may have violated copyright or trademark rights.

This is disappointing for everyone, but sometimes it's an action we have to take to protect you as a buyer.

I was not happy about it but what are you going to do? There are still the occasional good deals to be found on ebay so I guess I'll have to live with it.
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