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Old 08-17-2012, 07:30   #1
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Internet Thought Police

Leaving Ohio on my way home from vacation, I stopped in Bucyrus at a Bob Evans for breakfast. They have free internet, so I brought in the ipad to catch up on the news and read this and the S&W M&P15 forums.

I've attached the image that popped up on the ipad - seems this forum and any other weapons discussion is "forbidden" to view. Now, I could read about a gang of 13 year olds beating and kicking a man nearly to death, and I could read about a shooting in DC. I searched for ammo, no problem, and reviewed a Sig Sauer on Cabelas, but could not get to these forums.

I feel much safer now.
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I would contact the owners and tell them that since they filter this type of website, you left their establishment without spending a dime (even if you didn't) and that you would be sure to tell like minded folks about their policy. Porn I can understand filtering but this is nonsense.
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sorry sgt440 if no porn no gun no anything.
the internet should not be filtered.
the internet is super tame now a days. its really sad to see it go the way the country is going.
people that dont understand makeing rules for something they should not be in charge of.
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I wouldn't doubt that your local "Bob Evans" (haven't seen those since Illinois!) has some choice through it's "SonicWall" internet security which websites/categories to censor.
In my opinion, if they're paying for it, they run it. After all, it's free to us, so who are we to complain? If I don't agree with the way something's run, I don't support it financially by bringing them business. Vote with your money.
There's sometimes internet access at libraries and hotels/motels.

This kinda makes Bob Evans seem like a passive-agressive Chick-fil-A
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There's a couple ways of dealing with this.

1. Some of these filters are based off DNS blocking. Open up a command prompt or equivalent (I don't know about Ipads how you'd do this) and run a traceroute or ping on the full website name, you'll get an ip address back. Try going to the ip address directly.

2. Proxies.

3. If @#$% gets VERY real, you can use onion routing. This is how Chinese citizens defeat the "Great Firewall of China".
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a good reason not to patronize bob evans eaterys or buy any products made by his outfit
I'll remember that bob evans pork sausage is sold locally here in WNC
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Their internet their rules. No thought policing involved.
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Originally Posted by survivalguy72 View Post
Their internet their rules. No thought policing involved.
This is what I found on the SonicWall website;

"SonicWall uses a dynamic database to block access to objectionable Web sites. The database classifies objectionable Web sites based upon input from a wide range of social, political, and civic organizations."

A "wide range of social, political, and civic organizations".

Sounds like thought policing to me.
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If it's meant to be "free" internet provided to their customers, there should be NO filtering IMO.

Now, if it's primarily a business-use network, then they should be able to do whatever they want.
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Well, to be the devils advocate...

If the business is offering free wi-fi then I would suppose they could offer what they wanted to.

To stretch the point, you wouldn't want your family to be eating next to a table where someone is surfing porn, right?

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I suppose that is a valid point, but there is also nothing stopping anyone from watching porn at that same table with their 3G connection....so what is being accomplished?

It's that slippery slope, I suppose.
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Originally Posted by Wil View Post
Well, to be the devils advocate...

If the business is offering free wi-fi then I would suppose they could offer what they wanted to.

To stretch the point, you wouldn't want your family to be eating next to a table where someone is surfing porn, right?

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If someone is surfing porn, and I can't see or hear it, why would I care? If the guy next to me was perusing the Kama Sutra, or Hustler magazine for that matter, would Bob Evans kick him out?

If I parked my company van emblazoned with "Stebo's Gun Shop" and complete with photos in Bob Evans lot, if I sat down at a table wearing a shirt and hat with my company logo and pictures of Mini14's, if I booted up my favorite gun repair DVD on my laptop, if I carried on a conversation with my tablemates on the relative merits of Mini14's vs Mini30's, would anybody care?

45K20E4 is right - what is being accomplished by blocking access to gun discussions? As I previously wrote, I was able to search for ammo and a Sig Sauer on Cabelas website, probably could've ordered too.

Bob Evan's can do what they want with their w-fi, but then I don't have to eat there either.
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OK, fine, but in all fairness I think punishing an establishment for offering "limited" FREE Wi-Fi is a bit harsh.

Will you also punish the establishments that don't offer Wi-Fi at all?

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Originally Posted by Wil View Post
OK, fine, but in all fairness I think punishing an establishment for offering "limited" FREE Wi-Fi is a bit harsh.

Will you also punish the establishments that don't offer Wi-Fi at all?

Wil
It's all about choices and consequences.

If one restaurant chooses to offer free wifi, and another does not, then I might choose to use the free wifi restaurant.

If a restaurant chooses to regulate and limit what I can access on their free wifi, then the consequence is that I can choose to spend my money elsewhere.
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I will readily admit that if I had seen that note pop up on my screen I would have been a little put out also.

Oh well...

Take care.

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This is when you download the TapATalk app on your iPad and go on posting...

Seriously, I'd have been a bit perturbed, but they're paying the bill to keep the WiFi free. Same thing as this website -- if Kevin doesn't like what you have to say, he doesn't have to keep allowing you to log in. Food for thought.
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Very true.

I guess I would treat it like any other gun-limiting enterprise (i.e.- I would not do business there).
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Thank you for the heads up. Bob Evans goes on the do not support list. I have no problem with restaurants that dont have internet access. Afterall I go to them to eat, very rarely. I do however have a very large problem with anyone telling me what I can read or view etc. This is plain and simple censorship and I will not support it and will actively work to eliminate them from doing business. FRJ
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Like was been said earlier -- their internet, their rules. If you want to do what you want when you want on the internet, buy a wireless modem.

However, it is probably worth letting them know that you are a law-abiding customer who was inconvenienced by their policy. They need regular folks to reassure them that guns do not automatically equate to bad conduct and that they still have a place in mainstream America.

If you want to be persuasive, be respectful. Understand their position as a family restaurant and their responsibility to the community. Bob Evans' choice of SonicWall was probably based on many factors, not the least of which were price and reliability. And SonicWall has made its internet policy for good reasons. Your job is either to persuade Bob Evans to use another vendor or to persuade SonicWall that there are better reasons to make their internet policy more liberal.

And, yes, choosing to frequent another establishment is always one of your options. However, if you do not step up and let Bob Evans know about your inconvenience, you will find these sort of free-wifi restrictions spreading to other establishments.

Always be polite.

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Originally Posted by merlinfire View Post
There's a couple ways of dealing with this.

1. Some of these filters are based off DNS blocking. Open up a command prompt or equivalent (I don't know about Ipads how you'd do this) and run a traceroute or ping on the full website name, you'll get an ip address back. Try going to the ip address directly.

2. Proxies.

3. If @#$% gets VERY real, you can use onion routing. This is how Chinese citizens defeat the "Great Firewall of China".
#1 is the way I gotten around web filtering at work and a couple other.
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Originally Posted by Wil View Post
Will you also punish the establishments that don't offer Wi-Fi at all?
Well sure. Because everyone should have the right to do what they want...except the ones these guys don't agree with.
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Originally Posted by survivalguy72 View Post
Well sure. Because everyone should have the right to do what they want...except the ones these guys don't agree with.
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