Can anyone offer a place to get gun values? I don't seem to be able to find any online, only to buy the Blue Book of gun values.
I may be selling my Mini-14 I just got a few months ago. While I like it, it's not for me and I may be going AR. I know, I know. It's a 183 series with a Ruger 5-round mag and 2 40-round mags. It also has a Ruger folding stock, which I've heard can go for a pretty penny on it's own. I've since added a Picatinny scope mount that mounts on a replaced bolt stop cover, and a sling.
I did see a dealer at a gun show with this exact 183 model (minus the, 2 40-round mags, sling and scope mount) selling his for $1250. I'm sure that's "dealer price", but it's also can be better pricing at a show... So I'm not sure where to start, or even where to sell, other than here. Does eBay allow gun sales anymore?
It shoots great, but...I'd more prefer a combat style weapon (AR, or maybe AK). And I don't want to ruin this particular one by changing the stock and adding other stuff.
Your mini is not a factory folder. Your value will be based on the sum of its parts. I would estimate that your mini would sell at auction in the range of $750 - $850. Nowadays price quides such as the Blue book of gun values are not reliable, especially in this economy and with info instantly available on the internet. I cruise the auctions sites to get my finger on the pulse of current pricing. I go by selling prices only and not listing prices. Checkout gunbroker.com and auctionarms.com. To my knowledge these are the two largest and they more accurately reflect pricing trends, IMHO.
Well it looks like somebody put that Mini in that stock, so it did not come from the factory as a side folder. I think you could get 5 to 600 for it as it is maybe more, depends on what the market is like where you live.
Really, those Ruger folding stocks are worth that much? I did not know they were that valuable. One of the guys at Clear Creek bought a used Mini 14 factory folder for $700 not to long ago. The market is not that great around here, lots of guns for sale. I guess $750 to $850 would not be out of line then.
The Original Ruger folding stock can go for that much. I paid $700 for my 181 series SS with a cheap side folder about 5 years ago. Massachusetts is a ban state so dealers can rape you and youre at their mercy. This was from a gun show. Most of the prices I see at the show are high to give the dealer/buyer haggle room without the dealer using cash. To optimize profit I tried to sell to someone in a ban state.
You could have a factory configured rifle, bottom swivel or not, but either way starting off at $800 is a good price. Set a reserve where you want it, a blued sidefolder with side swivel gasblock is going to bring a lot of bids at $800 and may sell for $900+. Yours may hit $900 maybe higher, maybe a bit lower due to the misinformation about the gasblock, and possibly the lack of a factory front sight although I think the Eagle style front sight / flash hider looks good on these rifles. If it does not serial number as a factory folder you still have a valuable rifle that would definitely sell for $800+
Stainless folders may go $50-100 higher.
$1,250 would be a very high price for even an excellent example of a true Stainless GB folder.
Before you go any further call Ruger Records first with your serial number and they will confirm the actual catalog number for your rifle as well as if it was a factory folding stock configuration, and the date that the rifle was shipped from Ruger to whatever distribution channel was reselling the rifle (They will not be able to tell you where it shipped). They will not be able to confirm the style of gasblock as individual records were not kept on gasblock styles. If your serial number is confirmed as a factory folder they can send you a letter confirming this on Ruger letterhead that will help to authenticate your rifle to those interested in purchasing.
Those of you who automatically throw out the "not a factory folder" don't have a clue, you have been reading this internet hype too long from those who post about hearing this-or-that and so-and-so said. The gasblock means nothing, it is the serial number that confirms the rifle as a factory folder. Bottom mount swivel gasblocks did get paired with quite a few factory configured rifles.
The side swivel gasblock would have been the intent as the butt end swivel is also on the side, the fact remains that these rifles were not all sent out with side swivel gasblocks, especially a lot of the Ranch Rifles that got folding stocks towards the end of the Factory offering for folding stocks. The initial offering of GB's with factory folding stocks all had the bottom mount gasblock swivel. All told Ruger had 3 different versions of the side swivel gasblock at one time or another, one had no reinforcing rib on the front, one had the rib with recessed holes where a clamped on bottom swivel would mount, and one had the rib with no recessed holes.
The introduction of the AC-556K brought the side swivel gasblock, actually the early promotional material on the AC-556K shows side and bottom swivels on the same gasblock.
Ruger made Mini-14 specific folding stocks and AC specific folding stocks, the only difference was minor inletting in the AC stocks to allow for the select fire capability mechanisms such as the selector switch, link positioner, rocker arm, and overall width of the trigger group accomodating these extra pieces.
190 prefix AC's and 180 prefix Mini's had the same external bolt hold open design but the 190 prefix AC receiver differed from the 180 prefix mini in that the casting was longer to accomodate the selector switch and indexing slots. Stocks were not interchangeable without modification if using a Mini stock on an AC. An AC stock would fit on a mini but show visible gaps around the trigger guard. No folding stocks were available for the 190 prefix AC or the 180 prefix Mini.
191-192 prefix AC's and 181+ prefix Minis had the same internal bolt hold open design and the same differences in receivers concerning the AC's requirement for select-fire. The Mini stocks are not interchangeable between AC's without some minor wood inletting, AC stocks can be used on 181+ prefix Mini's without alteration but will show visible gaps around the trigger group.
Folding stocks were introduced with the 191 series AC556K, as well as offered to Gov. and LE as an accessory for Mini's or as a configured rifle on the GB. Folding stocks became available later on to the public as a Mini14 specific stock.
Thanks for all the useful information all. There's some more info that may fill in some gaps here. First, I did email Ruger and received a reply that it was NOT sold with a folding stock. Here's their reply:
Model: Mini 14/5 (this model did not ship with a folding stock)
Shipped: December of 1982
I'm the 3rd owner. The first was a police officer in CA who owned it for a while and must have done the stock change and whatever else. He then retired and being in CA and no longer a LEO (and this type of weapon is illegal in CA), had to sell it and sold it to his brother here in WA. The brother (my friend) had it in his closet for 14+ years and only fired it every now and then. Then sold it to me last year.
Originally Posted by KAC-556F
AC stocks can be used on 181+ prefix Mini's without alteration but will show visible gaps around the trigger group.
I can't find any marking or indication that this is an AC stock. Here's a pic of the trigger group. Is there anything else that would indicate which it is? And if it is a Mini stock, since it was added afterwards would that affect value much?
It still looks like a factory folder stock even if not originally sold with the rifle, valued at $800-900. I saw a mini in a gunshop yestday with a folding stock (Choate I think), thin barrel for sale at $460 with Bushnell scope.
Definitely a Factory Mini-14 folding stock. An AC stock on a Mini shows noticeably wide gaps around the trigger housing when paired with a Mini-14 trigger group.
Other than the additional inletting the stocks are identical. There are some variations between "earlier" stocks and "later" stocks in the way of 2 differing castings for the folding arm pivot block (the cast piece that is attached to the wood stock and to which the tubular arm pivots about), as well as two different styles of catch stud's (the protruding nub on the right side of the stock that serves as a latch point for the folding arm when collapsed, one style has a threaded rod that is a part of the catch stud and extends through the stock to a ferrule on the left side of the stock and the other style is just the opposite with the threaded rod being a flat head "screw" that goes into the stock on the left side and threads into the catch stud on the right side.
Only other variation I have seen is with the pistol grips, 2 different versions that have the same identical shape and profile with the only difference being a rounded recess in the area of the grip that would be directly behind the trigger guard, this presumably would make it easier to pop the trigger guard for disassembly rather than loosening the pistol grip to rotate out of the way.
Often times you can find an ink date stamp on the wood of the forearm channel after removing the forearm liner. Depending on how the stock was handled over the past nearly 30 years that stamp may be long gone due to cleaning agents. This stamp was somewhat unique as I have not seen one on a full wood stock.
Thanks Tri and KAC. I did a thorough cleaning last weekend and didn't notice any markings inside the stock. But if dark printing or whatnot I could have easily missed it since I wasn't looking for any.
I'm still debating the move to AR/M4. Looks like I can piece one together for @ $600-800 with parts I'd prefer versus buying a stock one for $700-1200 and then spending more on customizing it. What's kinda holding me back is trying to figure out the whole selling process. Looks like the buyer must send me the FFL holder license copy or something and I ship to that FFL. And still wondering if I have to send thru an FFL here. Liability and the law...ughh. It would be nicer to find a local buyer. In WA you don't need to register any private sale. Though if selling to a person I don't know, I'll be sending in paperwork for sure.
-- mini's are great rifles, the firing pin is the only weak link.
-- So, to be safe, never buy a used mini (you can never really tell how many rounds had been fired by the firing pin)
Pick up a cheap synthetic or used wood stock and shoot it that way before you decide the mini is not for you. The folder doesn't feel right when i shoot them. Put Wilson 1911 buffers front and rear, .050" gas bushing, and shoot it like that. Bet you like it!!! If its still not accurate enough for you add a strut.
The Mini 14 fires EVERY-THING EVERY-TIME, doesn't get dirty, and doesn't look like a black rifle. Its a VERY COOL Carbine.
Thanks guncats. Gonna locate an FFL nearby and see what I can do. Also talking to a shop for a consignment.
johnkoel - I've debated doing that for the recoil, like a Tapco or similar, and the buffers and bushing. At least something to try. The other frustration is the scope mount. I installed one that replaces the bolt stop cover, but it vibrates loose in no time. I'm gonna try blue Loctite on the threads next time at the range.
The one thing that stops me from doing a strut is the drilling part where it mounts to the gas chamber. I really don't like the idea of doing that, especially if it screws up the value of the gun.
I would sell the folding stock separately and put a factory wood stock on the mini. I have bought 2 Factory folding stocks off e-bay and they go for 400-500 bucks just for the stocks...if in good condition...