Buying a Vortex Strikefire red/green dot: Which mount, high or low?
I was just about to push the Paypal button to pay for my new Vortex Strikefire red/green dot sight today, but then at the last minute, I noticed that in the title of the product name was the term "Ar-15 mount". So, I called Vortex and spoke with someone there, and he said there are 2 different mounts, AR-15-high, and the "Hunt"-low.
So I told him I was going to be buying the ATI ultimate Professional version of the Strikeforce stock, and mounting the Vortex sight probably on the front rail of the ATI stock, and sliding it as far back as possible.
He said that the AR-15 high mount is made to co-witness with the AR-15 iron sights. I asked if the hunt-low mount would co-witness with my 187 Ranch rifle's stock iron sights, but he said no, it wouldn't. But I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that the Strikefire WILL co-witness on the Mini-14/Ranch. What is correct there?
But also, the standard Mini 14 wood butt stock angles downward like most rifles, however the ATI Strikeforce stock has a straight Butt stock, so maybe I would need a high, AR-15 mount with the ATI stock on my Ranch(???) But the guy at ATI, who doesn't own a Mini/Ranch, said that he thought I'd be better off with the short/hunt mount. Which is correct?
I was told that I can easily return the mount if I dont like the height of the original one I receive, but I'd rather try and get it right from the start....
Another, last confusing issue, is that both the web store guy and the Vortex guy kept referring to the 'mount' as "rings". The web store guy even said that the Vortex Strikefire sight DOESN'T come with a mount(?!!!?), he said it comes with "rings"... When I receive this sight, will I be receiving a "mount" that connects the sight to the rifle with picatinny/weaver attachment ability, or will I be receiving "scope rings"? I just cant figure out why they both kept referring to it as "rings"(?)
I have a Vortex on my AR-15 with the High mount and it does co-witness with the AR sights.
I highly doubt even the low mount will co-witness with the Mini sights. I had a Bushnell 1x32 sight on my ATI stocked Mini Tactical and you could not see the sights at all. That sight has a low mount built on like an ACOG.
I will say this though having both sights the Bushnell is much brighter than the Vortex. And the reticle has a small dot with two horizontal lines on either side of it and a vertical line under it. It is a much bigger sight and a lot heavier though.
Go with the low mount -- mounting an optic as low as possible is never a bad thing.
They're referring to "rings" because that's exactly what the "Hunt" mounting setup is. A single, 30mm Weaver/Picatinny scope ring. Looking at the optic, I'd assume the AR-style mounting setup is the same, only with a high or extra-high ring. Haven't seen the AR mount, but looks to me that that's how it'd work.
The only chance you have of cowitnessing on a Mini is with the low mount, and even that may be too high.
You will not be able to co-witness, but go low. I have a Ultimak M4S on my 580 Mini which is MUCH Lower then the ATI rail and there is no red dot I have ever used that I think even "might" co-witness.
ATI with SPARC
The lower sexier ;-) Ultimak with the same Optic Set up
Although I did see a guy use a single Ruger Steel ring on the front scope block of his Ranch to mount a Strikefire.
Also, I run a SPARC and I have used the Red/Green Strike fire on a friends rifle. I think it's worth the extra $50.00 to get the SPARC (Brighter, Lighter, comes WITH a mounting kit for many different hights), but if you really want a Strikefire, buy the Red dot only model. It has a MUCH brighter dot then the Red/Green version.
I have a strike fire , bought it when they first come out . I personally have never had an issue with the brightness on the red/green strikefire and people tell me the red only version is brighter. the ar mount is nothing more than a high mount 30 mm scope ring for weaver or picitanny rail. I think the spark has a 2 moa dot where the strikefire has a 4 moa dot so the spark may help with a more precision shot and i think it has better battery life . either one will be a good optic and I know the strikefire is tough I run mine on a 458 socom for over 500 rounds with out any issues.
I have considered mounting mine on my mini but I kinda like the idea of the spark .
this is what the high mount looks like on my 458 socom
Nice gun porn folks!
Can't say enough how much I like the Vortex optics. High quality, low prices and great customer service. (Like stories about how they do not argue if there is a problem, they just resolve it, often with a new unit no hassels, or sending out mounts if you don't like the high or low one...)
Call them, they are awesome in my experience, and the dots/colors are fine. Plenty bright for day or night in any condtions. (I do like the green and red version, and the small SPARC is dang cool, but it's only red, and it is dang bright if you need it to bright.
One thing that these Vortex optics come with is quality 2x doublers! They screw in, and are clear and bright. They do require that you move up to see through them, but are in my view, for the range, when you want to shoot more accurate, no so much for the field, when the 1x makes it easy to look at the target, put the dot on it, and press the trigger for a hit on target.
Sure, you can spend much more, but you still just get a dot on target.
I suppose if you feel better about spending say 500.00 for that ability, knock yourself out.
I like the Vortex too, but I would love even more to have spent $500.00 on the Aimpoint T-1. LOL
It[s a great optic, it's a great $200.00 Optic... BUT those Aimpoints are super slick.
I agree , If I were putting a red dot on a weapon I depended on for home defense then there would be no question I would go aimpoint and not look back , the battery life is simply amazing . that is my main gripe with my vortex, and my leupold cqt mk4. I am not sure I would have the presense of mind to turn on a switch if things go bump in the night. now on the other hand If i was heading out to the tree stand before day light or hunting pigs at night then it would be no big deal to turn the optic on before hand . other than that I would not hesitate to buy another vortex product .
I can get two coin type batteries for 4.00 a blister pack. I keep two packs in my safe at all times, and rotate them out as they are used. (Sharpie the bought date on the back, use the oldest ones first.) I do this with all my batteries for flashlights etc.
Sure, there are more expensive batteries, and I have a collection of various sizes for all the various lights/lasers/optics etc.
I figure I'll be able to buy a lifetime of batteries for less than the cost of one Aimpoint v/s the Vortex comparable. (I have no problem spending 320.00 on a light/laser from Veridian for my pistol(s) as nobody makes anything comparable in size, function and reliability, but if they did? I'd buy the cheaper version.)
I have yet to have a problem with any Vortex product. I have had no issues with Aimpoint, Elcan or the other big names like Trijicon either, but dang, they are expensive, and I do not think you get what you pay for in the long run.
Case in point: I have the Millett DMS 1x4x30 on medium Burris tactical rings. Sure it's only a 200.00 optic, mounted on 60.00 rings, but I've shot it against ACOG's that are 1k mounted up, and even an Elcan that was very nice, but you know what?
My cheaper optic works just fine. The guy with the Elcan was showing me all the cool features, and I like the "flip" to 4x power, but again, that optic is about what I paid for my FS2000 that I have the Millett mounted on.
I would rather spend the money on a better weapon, and I have a budget to consider when I'm buying guns and optics. (As do most folks.)
The cool thing is, I consider the Vortex optics to be high quality, on par with those priced at 4x or more. A great bargain for the consumers.
I think it would be cool to have a mini-gun, but I can't afford one!
Just feeding the thing would be out of my budget lately, but I agree, the Aimpoint/Trijicon/Elcan optics are amazing, but for the money, Vortex offers products that reach those levels of reliability and function, but at prices I can justify to my pocketbook.