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Old 01-24-2010, 20:05   #1
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Mini-14 not a battle weapon?

I see often here that the mini-14 is not considered or used as a battle weapon. I question that assumption since any weapon can be used as a "battle" weapon. Maybe someone could enlighten me on why a Mini-14 is not considered a "battle weapon" as opposed to an AR or a M14 type. I understand the difference between a carbine, which I believe the Mini_14 is considered, and a MBR. Aren't carbines a battle weapon i.e. M1 carbine, carbine style AR, M4? The Mini_14 in my opinion could be use just as effectively.
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Imho

I have four AR15's, (three of which I built myself) and two Mini 14"s. If I somehow ended up in a bugout or end rule of law situation, and I could take only one 556 carbine ,I would take one of my minis. If cal. was not limited I'd probalbly take my m1a scout.So in other words I feel my mini would be more reliable , especialy in harsh conditions.A mini would be very effective with good magazines.

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Frankly, I don't understand the topic. A homemade bow with homemade arrows is a "Battle Weapon" If you are hit with a round fired from an AR-15 or a Mini-14 who cares.. you will wind up with the same result...dead. I would also consider my 40 year old Remington Nylon 66 in .22LR a "Battle Weapon" if that was my only choice. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of any them.
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Hmmm when a rifle is designed from 2 of the greatest fightn' rifles of all time then how can it not be considered one?

Train with what you have and any rifle is a fightn' tool, some like the mini work better than others.
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My 183 series Mini goes bang every time without fail and I also have 12 30-rounder magazines that work without fail. I wouldn't feel outgunned at all in a gunfight with other infintry style weapons. It may get a little dicey if heavy machine guns are involved though.

If the AR-15 in 5.56 (.223 Rem.) will work, the Mini will also stand its ground!
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It better work as a battle weapon! It's the onlu SHTFG that I own!!
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Mini-14 not a battle weapon?
Hum, numerous South American countries are issued the Mini-14 as police or military weapons. I have a Colt HBar, Mini 14 and Mini 30. I used the HBar for coyote hunting for years till I teaked up the Mini 14 which now is almost as accurate. Its much lighter to carry with my homemade folding stock. I was a private contractor in Iraq, had the M4, no problems with it. However, I do carry my Mini 14 loyally in my vehicle on my travels with several factory 30 round mags. I had the M14 in the marines, just like the feel of the small Mini and carry it in confidence. 28 years as a Trooper also had me carrying it over the issued M16 on manhunts, etc. I would consider it a light battle weapon as it was designed basically off the M14 characteristics. M4=Diesel train, Mini 14= steam engines, still pulls its load, just not all the glory.

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A well thrown smith corona typewriter can be a battle weapon if needed.

(Just don't ask how I know )

so yeah - A mini will work too. use what you got.
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I think it's all in the perception. for years the Mini was an outcast as it did not have the accuracy or fire power many folks demanded. The accuracy and firepower (20 and 30 round magazines) has been addressed by Ruger and now it's getting a new following.

I want to see the Ranch with a flash hider, the new heavier 18.5 in barrel and a bayonet lug. I think that will put an end to the "battle rifle" question. It will be light years ahead of the 30 cal. M1 carbine and almost to the level of the Springfield Arms SOCOM, M-4 and and M-16 and probably at the same level of a civilian AR 15. Come on Ruger, you are so close. Along with the new Ruger 556, we could call them the dynamic duo of American made arms. That would be the pair to draw to. kwg
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Best just to ignore the Internet commandos. A Mini will do you just fine if and when you ever need it for self defence. Once tried out and fixed for any problems it will serve your self defense needs well. F of Rs
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There are quite a few countries that have Mini-14s as either police or military issued weapon. There are many groups that use the Mini as a service rifle. Prisons, SWAT teams, police departments to name a few.

Since the Mini has an action based on the Garand it is very reliable.

Since it shoots the saem round as an AR the result will be the same. The AR has better choice for aftermarket mags, but Ruger mags work very well.

If I were to choose a rifle to defend myself or family I would choose either my Mini or my AK.
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Originally Posted by Father of Reds View Post
Best just to ignore the Internet commandos.
I can't agree with this sentiment enough. There are a lot of "chairborn rangers" out there who say a lot of things just to make themselves feel justified in the thousands of dollars they've spent on their rifles (and Trijicon optics).

If you can run up two flights of stairs it doesn't matter what rifle you're using, you've already beaten most of those guys anyway. I've never understood the distinction some people try to make between a 'battle rifle' and every other kind of rifle. Guns don't shoot themselves, and as a long as your rifle puts a bullet where you aim (knowing where you're actually aiming is another matter entirely) you can feel justified in using it in a battle.
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Originally Posted by aerowrench View Post
I see often here that the mini-14 is not considered or used as a battle weapon. I question that assumption since any weapon can be used as a "battle" weapon.
I assume when I see a statement like that they don't mean it was never a suitable "battle" weapon but that it can't be had in full automatic configuration like modern "battle" rifles can. When I think "battle", I think war. If I'm going to war, nowadays I'd prefer full auto capability. But, that's just me. Once upon a time, a musket was a battle rifle. Not so much today. Best bet to get an answer to your question, though, is the next time you see or hear someone say that, ask them why they said it.
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If you really want to get into the semantics of it all, the term "battle rifle" is normally used to describe the bolt-action and semi-auto rifles used in the later parts of the 19th and early 20th centuries: large caliber rifles intended for engagements at around 500 yards.

Towards the end of WWII the first of what we'd consider an "assault rifle" was produced by the Germans (Sturmgewehr 44). The automatic fire was intended to work like a submachine gun in trenches and indoor battles, and since most fights were taking place at ranges less than 300 yards they switched to a lighter caliber.

By that definition, no, the Mini-14 isn't really a battle rifle since it's not a .30 caliber round (though it's absolutely still effective out to 500-600 yards) and it's not an assault rifle since it doesn't offer selective fire. However, the M4 / AR-15 isn't a battle rifle either. The M-14 most certainly is.
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The know-it-alls (A.K.A. Gunstore Rangers) usually are full of it. They have usually read one too many gun mags and not fired enough real weapons.

Any weapon can be lethal. The Mini has proven itself very capable, and I would stake my life on it if necessary. The Mini is no more or less a battle rifle than an AR-15. The argument can be made that the AC556 was the equivalent of the M16, just never in the US military inventory.
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Lots of good comments here. Anytime people when are passionate about their hobbies hard feelings can occur and I want to commend all at being civil, let's keep it that way!
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Originally Posted by 45K20E4 View Post
The know-it-alls (A.K.A. Gunstore Rangers) usually are full of it. They have usually read one too many gun mags and not fired enough real weapons.

Any weapon can be lethal. The Mini has proven itself very capable, and I would stake my life on it if necessary. The Mini is no more or less a battle rifle than an AR-15. The argument can be made that the AC556 was the equivalent of the M16, just never in the US military inventory.
It has been said that if Bill Ruger had begun development of the AC556/Mini-14 a decade or so earlier than he did, the weapon you see our troops carrying today would be some version of the Mini-14 rather than some version of the AR-15.
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Originally Posted by DogStar View Post
I can't agree with this sentiment enough. There are a lot of "chairborn rangers" out there who say a lot of things just to make themselves feel justified in the thousands of dollars they've spent on their rifles (and Trijicon optics).

If you can run up two flights of stairs it doesn't matter what rifle you're using, you've already beaten most of those guys anyway.

LOL. well said.
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I wish parts were more readily available for the Mini. I would like to have an AR, there are a couple of configurations that I like, (Toted one for several years,) but if I could have only one. I wouldn't trade my Mini for any AR I can think of. Just my own preference..
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Good answers

There's been alot of good answers already. I might add.
In every war the weapons used ,get reviewed numerous times in numerous ways. One of the most practical tests of a weapons performance is
asking the soldiers that took part in the conflict..." what weapon would you
drop, as soon as you could and what would you replace it with ? "
I first heard of this in the U.S. plains indian wars where troopers said they'd dump their issue 1 shot carbines for a lever/action rifle, like alot of the indians carried.
Then there was the Phillipines insurrection where Officers issued the .38 long colt were dumping them and asking their families to send them Dad's or grandpa's old single action .45.
In Vietnam probably every single soldier that had an M-16 jam in combat
would have liked to have had a Mini-14 in his hands, at that time.
The Garand, M-14, Mini-14 system is just plain reliable.
I might pick an M-14 or a Valmet or a Stoner if I had my pick but I wouldn't
feel undergunned with a Mini in most battle situations.
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Amen Lurp... I kinda was makin that hotly contested subject of Mini Vs AR.. I wont have to make that choice, I have a MilTech M-1 that is probly one of the toughest rifles I ever owned. But I wouldn't want to tote it humpin hills and crawlin through rice paddies and jungles, and I would not want to settle for less.. Old age is creepin up on me, so I may wind up givin the M-1 to my son, and sticking with my Mini, I trust it to defend my life, and if that dont do it.. well... You know.. Semper Fi
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Originally Posted by DogStar View Post
If you really want to get into the semantics of it all, the term "battle rifle" is normally used to describe the bolt-action and semi-auto rifles used in the later parts of the 19th and early 20th centuries: large caliber rifles intended for engagements at around 500 yards.

Towards the end of WWII the first of what we'd consider an "assault rifle" was produced by the Germans (Sturmgewehr 44). The automatic fire was intended to work like a submachine gun in trenches and indoor battles, and since most fights were taking place at ranges less than 300 yards they switched to a lighter caliber.
That's at least as good an answer as what I was going to say.


Originally Posted by DogStar View Post
There are a lot of "chairborn rangers" out there. . . .

If you can run up two flights of stairs it doesn't matter what rifle you're using, you've already beaten most of those guys anyway.
Amen!

+1 to Lurp2's comments as well.
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Smith Corona? They are known to be terribly inaccurate. I'll stick with my trusty old Underwood, all metal with a red/black ribbon. I know that I'm going to catch a lot of guff from the IBM Selectric crowd; but, I just can't trust all that plastic!!!!
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Originally Posted by 45k20e4 View Post
the know-it-alls (a.k.a. Gunstore rangers) usually are full of it. They have usually read one too many gun mags and not fired enough real weapons.

Any weapon can be lethal. The mini has proven itself very capable, and i would stake my life on it if necessary. The mini is no more or less a battle rifle than an ar-15. The argument can be made that the ac556 was the equivalent of the m16, just never in the us military inventory.

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You say "battle weapon," but do you mean BATTLE RIFLE? I personally don't see the difference in terms, but I think its different than the question you pose. ANY weapon can be used in battle, thus calling it a "battle weapon." But a battle rifle is a full sized cartridge firing rifle, generally 308 and higher in caliber. Intermediate cartridges are not considered battle rifle calibers.

But if you're saying that the Mini 14 COULD be a battle weapon, I think you're absolutely correct. But it'll never be a MBR. It will never shoot that larger cartridge.

Anyway, in a pinch, I'd grab a mini 14, but it'd never be my first choice. The mini (to me) is a commercial rifle that was meant to sling bullets, but it never caught up to the accuracy of the AR15 or the modularity of it either. But I do like the mini for it's folding stock, M1 garand style action and ability to keep the action clean. But its accuracy I demand and the mini doesn't come through, not even to the extent I expected in my ASI improved Mini. For the money spent, it's still not as accurate as my el cheapo AR15.
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