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Old 04-25-2007, 12:05   #1
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Installing a Mini-14 Barrel - how hard is it?

Do I need special tools? SHould I leave it to the experts?
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My question is, will those barrels on Ebay, off new style rifles, fit the old style, particularly the ones with 1x7 twist?
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leave it to the experts. Its not so easy on minis.
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Splinter - do you know a good (reasonably priced) gunsmith in OC or Socal that will do a mini-14 barrel (Bolsa Guns won't do it)?
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Splinter - do you know a good (reasonably priced) gunsmith in OC or Socal that will do a mini-14 barrel (Bolsa Guns won't do it)?

Send it to Carl at Accuacy Systems Inc . he has a The Conservative Package: Or what ever you $$ can afford this guy is the best in the USA bar non
Blued 4140 CM barrel, 223 cal. 1x9 twist only, .625Ē barrel diameter.
16.5 or 18.5Ē length x .625Ē diameter gas block (we keep yours)
4.5 pound trigger 2stage
Machine your slide and refit your hand guard
Target crown
Satin gray finish
Capable of Sub 1.5MOA @ 100 yards

http://www.ruger-mini-14-firearms.co...ini_prices.php
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I agree that Carl at ASI is good. However, I think Gundoc (http://www.greatwestgunsmithing.com ) is right up there too; I'd rank both of these guys, and probably another guy I've heard of here (Mike Knifong) as among the very best Mini-specialist gunsmiths available. I don't have any basis for saying that one of these is better than the others, but among these three, I suspect you will have an excellent outcome with any of them.
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I have experianced bolsa's handy work and was less than happy with them.They did work on my mini- trigger job- and it sucked, they just used springs. Had them rebarrel my savage and it was way over priced.

Short answer, there are not any good smiths in so cal, you should ship it to gun doc. Shipping a gun was less of an ordeal than I thought it would be. That would be the route I would go.

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The only other gunsmith I know of in the area is evans gunsmithing, and they might do it but they were the biggest a holes I have ever talked to. I talked to evan himself, or whoever the owner is and he said a Mini isnt worth working on. Then said he wanted 120 bucks for a trigger job, and wouldnt bed it, cus it wasnt worth it. He said with his whole wierd accurizing package at $650 dollars, he could cut the groups down from 10inches factory to 5 inches. I even mentioned I had several guns I wanted work done to, and he was just completely disrespectful and put down the mini as a POS. Waisted my time, then after 20mins of BS and bashing, told me he had a 1 year wait to do any work. WTF???

Gun Doc on the other hand was quick to talk to, and knows these things inside out. Had my mini done real fast, even fixed the shotty trigger job bolsa did. He also cleaned the entire gun better than it came from the factory. Shipping wasnt bad, and he got my gun down to an honest 2inch shooter. For a barrel change, he is probly the only option. But since it is going out anyways, have him hotrod it a bit. I realized quickly that it was cheaper, quicker, and resulted in a better outcome to ship it to him. It might even be a good idea to check out the aftermarket barrels, shilen has one, and The Doc might even be able to do a custom one. I would find him on the boards, and tell him what you need done. He talked about replacing barrels before. He is straight up, doesnt try to "sell" you on anything, and will even tell you how to fix bad work others have done.

So I recomend talking to gun doc. Or trying to find a smith around this area as I have been looking for years and would love to find one. As far as working on a mini, I would leave it to gun doc.
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Originally Posted by timlt View Post
I agree that Carl at ASI is good. However, I think Gundoc (http://www.greatwestgunsmithing.com ) is right up there too; I'd rank both of these guys, and probably another guy I've heard of here (Mike Knifong) as among the very best Mini-specialist gunsmiths available. I don't have any basis for saying that one of these is better than the others, but among these three, I suspect you will have an excellent outcome with any of them.
I agree with you 100% depending on what you want done thanks the more quility Smiths we can choose from the better.
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Originally Posted by CRAZY8 View Post
Send it to Carl at Accuacy Systems Inc . he has a The Conservative Package: Or what ever you $$ can afford this guy is the best in the USA bar non
Blued 4140 CM barrel, 223 cal. 1x9 twist only, .625Ē barrel diameter.
16.5 or 18.5Ē length x .625Ē diameter gas block (we keep yours)
4.5 pound trigger 2stage
Machine your slide and refit your hand guard
Target crown
Satin gray finish
Capable of Sub 1.5MOA @ 100 yards

http://www.ruger-mini-14-firearms.co...ini_prices.php

These guys are a rip off and all they do is copy ideas and offer them as their own. All their original stuff was a knock off of Accuracy rifle systems- ARS. Tim Lewis the owner of that company died and these guys pretended to be the same company ASI, or accuracy systems. Dont get me wrong, I like the fact that companies are around to work on mini's just dont like their way of doing it. They even say, we look at other peoples work, then copy it. Tim did Clarks first mini for him if that tells you anything. ARS is still in business by tims wife, so if you were going to go the full barrel swap package route, I would check them out before ASI.

Gun Doc, does some great things, and is very original in his ideas. He really goes after pushing bang for the buck mods. Things like cutting the barrel, and muzzle brakes. I thought it was hopeless to really enjoy my mini, until he hooked it up for nearly a 1/4 what other people wanted. After doing business with him, I cant say enough good about his work.
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Originally Posted by Splinter View Post
These guys are a rip off and all they do is copy ideas and offer them as their own. All their original stuff was a knock off of Accuracy rifle systems- ARS. Tim Lewis the owner of that company died and these guys pretended to be the same company ASI, or accuracy systems. Dont get me wrong, I like the fact that companies are around to work on mini's just dont like their way of doing it. They even say, we look at other peoples work, then copy it. Tim did Clarks first mini for him if that tells you anything. ARS is still in business by tims wife, so if you were going to go the full barrel swap package route, I would check them out before ASI.

Gun Doc, does some great things, and is very original in his ideas. He really goes after pushing bang for the buck mods. Things like cutting the barrel, and muzzle brakes. I thought it was hopeless to really enjoy my mini, until he hooked it up for nearly a 1/4 what other people wanted. After doing business with him, I cant say enough good about his work.
So what you are saying and correct me if I am wrong is if someone has a good idea or work that they do that no one else should improve or expand on that.

I thought that is what America is all about making things better(BASF) . Quality is Quality and if someone dose it better GREAT for you, ME and everyone concerned. Are you upset because ARS improved on Rugers product???? Tell me are you ****ed at AirBus for robbing Boeing of Aircraft Technology. Take a Chill Pill my man spend your money where you want and the rest of us will do the SAME. WOW
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Originally Posted by Splinter View Post
These guys are a rip off and all they do is copy ideas and offer them as their own. All their original stuff was a knock off of Accuracy rifle systems- ARS. Tim Lewis the owner of that company died and these guys pretended to be the same company ASI, or accuracy systems. Dont get me wrong, I like the fact that companies are around to work on mini's just dont like their way of doing it. They even say, we look at other peoples work, then copy it. Tim did Clarks first mini for him if that tells you anything. ARS is still in business by tims wife, so if you were going to go the full barrel swap package route, I would check them out before ASI.

Gun Doc, does some great things, and is very original in his ideas. He really goes after pushing bang for the buck mods. Things like cutting the barrel, and muzzle brakes. I thought it was hopeless to really enjoy my mini, until he hooked it up for nearly a 1/4 what other people wanted. After doing business with him, I cant say enough good about his work.
And another point I would like to make about your SP post. If someone has an Idea on this web site that is great and someone else improves on it . Will you CALL them a RIP OFF.

YOU ARE A TROLL a spoiler of topics Sir and I will call you out on your not so intelligent comments in the future if you post and I read it I will respond.
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Originally Posted by CRAZY8 View Post
And another point I would like to make about your SP post. If someone has an Idea on this web site that is great and someone else improves on it . Will you CALL them a RIP OFF.

YOU ARE A TROLL a spoiler of topics Sir and I will call you out on your not so intelligent comments in the future if you post and I read it I will respond.
Um, ok thank you for calling me a troll mr 6 posts, most of which are in this thread. WTF is your problem. I have first hand experiance and knowledge about everything I have said. You seem to not have any first hand info. So who is really the troll and spoiler of topics. You come out of nowhere and all you can do is link ASI. It looks almost as if you are affiliated with ASI. Nobody is ruining this topic but you and your first few posts comming off like you are some god of business ethics. I talked to all of the people I mentioned, and stated that i am happy there is another company making products/doing services for minis. What I was not happy with was Clark, owner of ASI, buying a mini from one of the top MINI hot rodders, then copying everything off of that mini. He did not improve on anything, just changed it ever so slightly to not carbon copy it. While I am not sure on the exact circumstances that exist, I am sure that Tim Lewis would be ****ed to see them steal his ideas. Not to mention, with gun docs success, ASI is now offering his exact mods on minis, for twice the price of course.

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To whom it may concern;I personally bought a very high dollar custom mini from ASI and am completely satisfied with the quality of the work that was done.At first I contacted ARS and they said basically that they were not accepting orders at that time and to try again in a few months-because Tim had just died a few months before.I tried to get it done in texas-but they could not produce -so I went to the S.carolina boys and they did me proud.IMOPFO-If you are going to get custom work done-you are going to have to pay the price.....does'nt matter who does it as long as they are well known and qualified.
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Originally Posted by Splinter View Post
Um, ok thank you for calling me a troll mr 6 posts, most of which are in this thread. WTF is your problem. I have first hand experiance and knowledge about everything I have said. You seem to not have any first hand info. So who is really the troll and spoiler of topics. You come out of nowhere and all you can do is link ASI. It looks almost as if you are affiliated with ASI. Nobody is ruining this topic but you and your first few posts comming off like you are some god of business ethics. I talked to all of the people I mentioned, and stated that i am happy there is another company making products/doing services for minis. What I was not happy with was Clark, owner of ASI, buying a mini from one of the top MINI hot rodders, then copying everything off of that mini. He did not improve on anything, just changed it ever so slightly to not carbon copy it. While I am not sure on the exact circumstances that exist, I am sure that Tim Lewis would be ****ed to see them steal his ideas. Not to mention, with gun docs success, ASI is now offering his exact mods on minis, for twice the price of course.

Just to get you up to speed on things since you are new here. You are not to personally attack people on this forum. If you keep it up, you will be banned.
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I guess that means I donít know Jack in your mind I am disappointed. I was an FFL in the mid 80s and I have been in the shooting sports for many years in Alaska and other places however; that doesnít make me an expert by any means on Gun Smithing. Please do not have me kicked of this web site I didnít know you had that POWER PlEASE, PLEASE ,PLEASE I am just one of the Newbieís on the Block WITH VERY LITTLE POSTS. What ever Dude you are not worth my time.

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Originally Posted by magnomark View Post
To whom it may concern;I personally bought a very high dollar custom mini from ASI and am completely satisfied with the quality of the work that was done.At first I contacted ARS and they said basically that they were not accepting orders at that time and to try again in a few months-because Tim had just died a few months before.I tried to get it done in texas-but they could not produce -so I went to the S.carolina boys and they did me proud.IMOPFO-If you are going to get custom work done-you are going to have to pay the price.....does'nt matter who does it as long as they are well known and qualified.


Glad to hear that, I have never heard of an issue with ASI and quility, I am waiting for my rifle from ASI. Compare any rifle to ASI and it will be clear that ASI has quality and class for what they do. Others may also but I am not here to debate that.

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Originally Posted by CRAZY8 View Post
I guess that means I donít know Jack in your mind I am disappointed. I was an FFL in the mid 80s and I have been in the shooting sports for many years in Alaska and other places however; that doesnít make me an expert by any means on Gun Smithing. Please do not have me kicked of this web site I didnít know you had that POWER PlEASE, PLEASE ,PLEASE I am just one of the Newbieís on the Block WITH VERY LITTLE POSTS. What ever Dude you are not worth my time.

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When did I EVER say you didnt know anything about guns. I said you had no personal experiance in dealing with these companies. And your next post proves this point quite nicely. But thanks for continuing your rants, and bragging about yourself instead of staying on topic.
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Originally Posted by CRAZY8 View Post
Glad to hear that, I have never heard of an issue with ASI and quility, I am waiting for my rifle from ASI. Compare any rifle to ASI and it will be clear that ASI has quality and class for what they do. Others may also but I am not here to debate that.

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ASI does great work, never said anything about them being bad. They also offer some services not offered by others anymore. ARS being the main one, although they may be back to doing barrels again. Havent heard anything from them in a while. You can sit here and toot your horn all you want, call me a troll all you want, but just realize that you are tooting your horn about a gun you dont even have yet. They better do something good for how much they are charging. I didnt buy a mini to spend 1500 bucks on it, and there are probly very few people here who would do that. Not saying anything bad about people that do, I would spend the money if I needed more then what my mini gives me, and had a K to throw around. What I was saying was, I have first hand experiance, I have held/shot minis from several different gunsmiths, and my opinion was that ASI is too expensive, and I dont favor their ethics. Your only experiance was that I AM A TROLL- do you even know what a troll is????, and that I CANT POSSIBLY be right since you just bought the most expensive mini any company makes, but you havent seen it yet. So yes, in the future, please do not recomend a company, or try to support it, when you dont have any idea what you are talking about. Also, please leave this nonsense off the boards. In several years you are the ONLY person I have had a problem with, and YOU have completely ruined this thread.
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Hey folks, let's relax ok? No need to make or take stuff personally.

Let's get the thread back on track, which was talking about re-barreling, and also smiths who can do the work. We're all adults and friends here, we oughta' be able to talk about this stuff without insulting each other, our rifles, or our tastes in gunsmiths, right?
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Sorry I got this all started guys but I do appreciate the detailed comments about value and quality of the various options. One more question: Is rebarreling the most cost effective way to make the mini-14 more accurate? Are there other less expensive options - particularly some I might be able to do myself? Muzzle brake (which kind?) barrel stabilizer? Bed to standard stock? I am not looking to make this rifle a tack driver (that's what my M70 is for) but I'd like 2" groups at 100m if it's not going to cost too much. Thanks
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The kindest and shortes answer I can give you is....... before you ask what you consider a very important question, spend some time studying the board. There are thousands of posts answering every question imaginable on file. With minimal computer ability and a little time you can search the board and find your answer. Specifically, there are many, and I do mean many ways to tune the mini for accuracy. The condition of your rifle barrel will determine if it is something that should be replaced. Do you know the condition of your barrel? I cannot see it from here so I can't tell for sure whether it needs to be replaced. I do not know your mechanical skill level, desire,financial condition, or the availability of the tools required for some of the things that can be done to the rifle. If you have a couple of hundred extra bucks and want a really sweet shooting rifle, call GunDoc, talk it over with him, and have him do the work. It will be done right the first time, turn around time will be short, and you will really appreciate what your mini can do with a small $$ investment. I have tried to contact Mike Knifong, the other mini gun smith, for months and was unable to make contact, so maybe he died or moved on.
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Hi GunOwner! Here's what I can tell you about swapping barrels -

Each barrel is installed at the factory and indexed for the gas port and extractor cut. That means each barrel and receiver will have a unique alignment. The used barrels on ebay are a good bargain, but it has been my experience that most will not simply screw into a different receiver. Buy enough of them and sooner or later one will fit properly, but if the one you buy doesn't fit it is quite a bit of work to install. Essentially the barrel will need to be set back a turn and rechambered to index the gas port and extractor. Not a huge deal, until you realize that the whole barrel is now shorter than before. So now you have to shorten the op rod, and modify the stock liners so that the rifle will fit together and function again.

New barrels like the Shilen heavy barrel are not drilled for gas ports and extractors, so they install quickly and easily. They are expensive. The best deal going for a new barrel is to send it to Ruger for a new barrel. I think it ran me $150 total last time I had it done. That was for a new barrel installed, blued, test fired and returned. If you like the factory barrel I will tell you that is one of the very best deals going.

The other smiths in this business that do mini's - I have fixed a lot of their work. But to be sure there is a whole lot more of their work that I have never seen which leads me to belive that it must be good. I make mistakes, and sometimes a rifle just doesn't respond no matter how hard I try. I have seen copies of Lee Hadaway's work on other companies websites, and copies of my work on the offerrings. I don't mind, I copied someone's idea for reduced gas port bushings and improved upon the parts until I felt happy with them. There probably aren't many "new" ideas out there, just changes to existing ones.

If you decide to do the swap yourself, you will need a barrel vise, an action wrench, chamber reamer and headspace gauges and quite honestly a lathe. Setting back a barrel is best done in a machine. If you get lucky and find a barrel that fits properly the first time you'll have accomplished something I have yet to do in all these years.

I hope this helps answer your original question.
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Gundoc, don't you think that one of the key things that makes for a smith who's really good at working on Mini's--in addition to basic competence in gunsmithing skills--is that they have some personal INTEREST in the Mini?

One of the things I've found, which someone else already noted in this thread, is that most smiths you talk to kind of scorn the Mini. A lot of them will tell you it's not even worth working on, or they act kind of contemptuously toward it, and quote you ridiculous prices to do relatively straightforward jobs. I've honestly gotten the impression that most smiths I talk to don't really LIKE working on Mini's.

On the flip side, the smiths that I have any knowledge of from personal experience or hearing positive feedback on this forum, all seem to have this in common: they BELIEVE in the Mini platform, they think it's an interesting, well-engineered rifle, that is has value, it's fun to shoot, and it's WORTHWHILE to work on it and improve it.

So, this may be one guide for anyone who's looking for a smith to work on your Mini, if you're not able to use one of those commonly recommended on this forum: find someone who not only has a good reputation as a smith, but they seem interested in Mini's, or better yet, they OWN one and tell you they like it.
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You're right on track there. It's very common, unfortunately, in the gunsmithing world to disparage a firearm or make the cost so high that no one would have the work done when a smith either doesn't like the gun, or doesn't know how to work on it. All too often the label of gunsmith is used by folks with minimal skills and tools. In searching for a gunsmith I would ask:
  • if the smith has experience with the gun, and you'll also find out then if he or she likes the gun
  • if they have any other suggestions for the project
  • if they are Federal Firearms License holders
  • if they are insured and have secure storage
  • what the job will involve
The law allows for a certain amount of smithing to be done without an FFL, but anyone serious about the craft will have one. Insurance is not only for their protection, but yours as well. If you get the opinion that the potential smith doesn't like the weapon or they are pretty vague about the process, keep shopping. If a smith tells you that they have no experience with your firearm, but sound enthusiastic and knowledgeable it may worth hiring him or her. Newbie smiths need experience and apprenticeships are damn hard to come by. Gunsmith schools are a good source of learning, but there are a lot of good smiths who have never been in a gunsmithing classroom. Most of us wait until later in life to take up the call and can't afford to leave for school. I offer to help newbies quite often, as do many other guys in the biz, so trust your gut when choosing your gunsmith.
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Thanks again fellas - I have searched the site and realize there are a million ideas out there - that is what prompted my question. I thought I had mentioned (or at least implied) - I have ten thumbs, little money, few tools and do not expect super accuracy. I would just like to know what people think about bang for the buck improvements (since I have little $$ I would like to focus on the most cost effective improvements).

It appears the right muzzle brake helps a lot - I think I can handle that install - but which one works best.

GunDoc has been really great - asked about a barell install in a PM and he gave me the straight answer - not a sales job. GunDoc when I have the $$$ I'm calling you for some improvements.

Anyway if it is not appropriate what I'm asking I'll stand down and just search and try to figure it out myself - usually like to get the thoughts of those who have been there first - sorry if I violated protocol. The site is great - appreciate all the help. Best, David
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